On Wed, 9 May 2018 07:57:56 -0700 Marc MERLIN <marc_...@merlins.org> said:

> On Wed, May 09, 2018 at 11:31:30PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > > I don't want this either.
> > > I want the window under to stay under and not exist as far as focus and
> > > input are concerned, the way E has behaved for me for literally 20 years
> > > now.
> > 
> > e never behaved that way. if you have pointer focus the window the pointer
> > was over would get focused. always. you could have it autoraise or not, but
> > you're imagining things because i never wrote any such feature like this.
> > no wm i have ever seen does this either. :)
> 
> Ok, so basically you are confirming that 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/GFht7beUYWbobxpP6
> is a bug in 0.21.11 and that 

oh wit. now i see it.. as your mouse goes over "Terminal" it focused "apps
- ..." ... the pointer should/would focus the window it is over, even if that
window is partly obscured by something on top.

> 1) I'm the first one to see it, maybe because no one is using that
> release with focus follow mouse?
> 
> 2) it's not going to get fixed because 0.21.x is a dead branch

correct. the answer is "use 0.22". we don't have the manpower to support
multiple stable branches going back in time. we maintain one (the last release
stable branch). :(

> 3) Is it a known bug that got fixed in 0.22 or we don't even know what the
> bug was and how it got fixed/went away?

i never saw it. you may be unlucky and happen to have a situation that brings it
out, but as part of wayland work there has been also work with event areas etc.
and something for wayland may have broken this etc. but it has since been
fixed... in 0.22 :)

> Related questions:
> 4) if I start building 0.21.10, .9, .8 until the introduced
> bug goes away, am I going to lose my ~/.e profile and all my settings
> every time, or is it at least backwards compatible if I stay within
> 0.21?

you shouldn't. e is like your favorite browser there - chrome. you cant' use
configs too new for the browser (i've hit it before thanks to rsync :)) configs
are one way upgrades. you could manually downgrade configs. it's possible with
some time and effort using the eet tool. but older code doesn't know how to
downgrade config from some e version in the future it knows nothing about.

> 5) if my profile is going to get lost, can I at least somehow backup all
> my saved window settings, which literally take me 30 to 45mn to
> painstakenly recreate one by one?

yes. eet. tool. you can decode/ecode config from the files to text files, edit
them, splice them together then encode/insert them again.

> Thanks,
> Marc
> -- 
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