On Wed, 9 May 2018 22:11:20 -0700 Marc MERLIN <marc_...@merlins.org> said:
> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 03:04:03PM +1000, Daniel Kasak wrote: > > This is probably a driver issue, and not E. > > That what Raster said when I first reported this, I believe him, but at the > end of the day, it doesn't matter. well i mentioned that it probably is because e being actually hung is an issue i've seen ending up in a bt in the driver. it's recoverable without losing anything but it does matter where the problem is because you report the problem then to the mesa devs if its getting hung in the driver e.g. in a gl api call. e hasnt "started doing new fancy things". perhaps we've shuffled some gl draw calls around or a few objects so there is a different sequence of calls that causes it but it is far from our fault if this is the case. when you say hung i am taking it as literally just that - hung and not able to process events or render or do anything. > 1) E changed to do new more fancy stuff I didn't need. > 2) It triggers bugs in Xorg or the intel driver, or god knows what. > 3) My laptop becomes not usable for work anymore > ... > 5) !profit > > I realize that Raster wants to keep it fun for himself and add more features > and eye candy, I don't blame him. no. this has nothing to do with that. but "never add more things to e because i demand it never change" is never going to happen. i suggest you tell the kernel developers this and see what reaction you get. what i see here is you don't care where the problem is, you're not interested in helping find out and have decided to just blame us and that's the end of that. you are free to do that, but that's not going to get any traction in terms of help from this end. i've worked with developers of other projects before and commonly they ask you to try "git master or svn head" and so i do... i even bother to bisect the problem (i've done this a few times for mesa for example), and i work with the developers to identify the problem so it gets fixed. you on the other hand are not interested in this (you've made it clear you have no time), and you are insisting on some amorphous "make it work for me" without any desire to help that happen. :( that's a bit sad. in the end i'm going to spend my time on things i can get "return on investment" for. i also only have a certain amount of time ... and i'm going to spend it where i get the best return. i get no return from someone unwilling to help figure out what is up (has it been addressed yet or not in master, where does the issue actually lie (e, efl, mesa, somewhere else?) etc. ... mas i said. if i see it... i bother to figure it out if its' bad and easy to do (a backtrace for example). :( > But as an end user, I really don't need this, I just need an E that will > work without any extra features compared to the many many so many features > it already has, many I probably don't even know. > Stablizing a branch is not fun work, but it's essential to software, > especially something as "mustn't fail" and important as a WM. already answered that. we have them. we backport fixes. latest release is the stable branch only. > Marc > -- > "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. > Microsoft is to operating systems .... > .... what McDonalds is to gourmet > cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-users mailing list > enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
