HiI don't receive raster's replies to my inbox, I seem to get everyone else's so something is amiss there. I could only see his most recent reply by reading it on SourceForge. Anyway I'm not going to cut and paste here. I think there has been some feathers ruffled and hyperbole on both sides and I will own my part. I asked about Places and what the thoughts were and all I expected was knowing 'the thoughts'.. By outlining the basis for the question with use cases for examples I was not intending to demand anything be done, I was simply trying to make it clear the reasons I would ask the opinion on such a thing. An answer of 'no!' was never going to be a problem and simply saying "it's too much new code to introduce and babysit and I don't want to make time for that" also would answer the question and be an inarguable answer without needing to question or make assumptions about anything else. You're the King and it's your court, all understood!
Look, I'm a big fan of what you're doing and as long as I've been doing music production on Linux I've found ways to share the system I use because there is niche but keen interest out there in using Linux that way. I've never wanted to be a 'Distro', I'm not particularly intelligent or intuitive about code and I'm terrible at math.. I'm pragmatic, stubborn and don't quit easily and that gets me by. I think our views on this are completely different to the point of being incomprehensible to each other and I admittedly don't fully understand your world and the stresses it entails and how developers work and think and to be honest I don't think you really understand how a 'normie' approaches using Enlightenment especially if they've never used it before. When I first came to #e IRC I kind of thought maybe I could be some sort of a liason to see your side but also present the challenges of taking what you do and putting a turnkey version of it into the hands of a User for a dedicated purpose. Elive and Bodhi are not using your stuff directly so they look after the intermediate bits in their own ways. Most projects have this middle role, the Packager doesn't code the Desktop and the guy who generates the Ubuntu ISO images doesn't develop Gnome. There are multiple pieces connecting the Developer and the User and I understand clearly now that you are really not looking for that kind of 'help' or feedback so taking any emotional element out of it I'm wasting my time wasting your time with things you don't necessarily want or need to know about. Fair deal!
I may dabble in some E theme mods, I may pretty some things up with alternate graphics for my own purpose but I'm 56 and and I'm not suddenly going to develop an aptitude for something as complex as EFL code not am I going to step up and fill gaps in E's mortar with an approved EFL coded solution so as messy as getting here as been hopefully it's been valuable to understand each other to prevent a repeating pattern. I will try to be more mindful of where you're coming from and think before I ask and hopefully you can see that I have good will toward E as presenter of your work and I can make a pretty damn nice platter for it but anything beyond that is not my bag baby.. Whether that has value to you or not is not my call..
Can we meet there and put this unpleasantness to rest? Best, Glen --- On 2025-01-24 14:38, Vincent Torri wrote:
On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 7:19 PM <i...@bandshed.net> wrote:Hi, For some reason I didn't get the email with rasters original reply, I wish I hadn't TBH... I didn't ask for any outside code or any other FM to be added to E, it's raster's module! I also didn't specify that'Places' should be set up for any application outside of E so as thingsare currently is adding Places would just augment the functions of EFMand be ready for EFM 2. EFM currently is a wonderful file 'browser' butif you're NOT a developer in the terminal all the time and you neednetworking support, tabbed interfaces or mounting a phone/tablet without writing your own jmptfs script then EFM is lacking as the primary FM ifthis weren't true there wouldn't be EFM2 in the works. It's not like I asked "hey can you put Thunar in E?" I asked if an existing module by the same developer might be convenient since some Users of E and allUsers of Bodhi, eLive and now AV Linux are all using E with an externalFile Manager.I've spent 4 years with E, I've spent countless hours putting it into aLive deployable state to get it in front of more eyes because I think it's a great and overlooked DE. I'm not a developer, I work full time and I steal minutes to do what I already do so raster if you're "notgoing to just do things for people." and if "after many decades i'm kindof a bit old, tired and grumpy. :) i've learned if i do things for people they will NEVER get up and help. if you don't like get up,something in efm - then contribute and fix it." I guess we're clear on future discussions! I wouldn't talk to my dog like that, it was a logical and sensible question given how real people use E.. Given the established historythat I like E and am trying to do something creative with it to promoteit I can't imagine someone being spoken to like this anywhere else..Developers of pretty much ANY other DE or application would (a) politely take the question and (b) never tell the User to write their own part ofthe applications as the FIRST reply, maybe after the 10th question or after being unreasonably demanding for a period of time but not right off the hop. There's certainly no question you're brilliant, there's no question Eshows your brilliance but I have so many better things to do than get myass handed to me for asking an innocent question... I'm not in the DE writing business and surprisingly other projects find people to be useful even if they aren't developers. Enjoy the Ivory Tower!raster is quite busy and doing almost everything on the EFL and E. That might explain his reaction. But I know that he wants a distro with E 27. Maybe wait a bit so that the situation calms down a bit ? best regards Vincent _______________________________________________ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
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