Joe, I strongly recommend you read the book called 1491. That is the title.
1491. Very interesting.
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From: Joseph Zorzin <[email protected]>
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:09:02 -0500
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [ENTS] Re: ancient Sycamore
Well, sure, it can't be said that the Indians had no impact on the forests,
but it was minor- virtually nothing compared to when the Europeans showed
up. I suspect that the vast majority of the forest land in the Northeast as
of 1491- would have looked about the same if the Indians had never been
here.
Joe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Elisa Campbell <mailto:[email protected]>
>
> To: [email protected]
>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:07 AM
>
> Subject: [ENTS] Re: ancient Sycamore
>
>
> According to a presentation recently by Elizabeth Chilton, an archaeologist
> at UMass Amherst, there were human inhabitants of southern New England before
> the forests grew back after the last ice age. So humans modified their
> culture as the forests grew.
>
> Elisa
>
> pabigtrees wrote:
>
>> Joe, Bob
>>
>> The biggest problem is that none of us are willinging to do anything
>> about it but talk. Including myself. If people really believed it
>> was better then, they would revert to that lifestyle. You can do it,
>> it would just be a shock to your current situation. The people who
>> are closest to this idea of living are the Old Order Amish. Farming
>> and living without electricity etc. Although they do use fertilizers
>> and chemicals so noone is perfect.
>>
>> I have read that the forests were not full of big trees though. They
>> would look like an old growth forest of today, as hardwoods seldom
>> live more than 2-300 years. The natives used to burn the undergrowth
>> too for hunting. I would like to see what it looked like before
>> humans entered North america altogether. That would be interesting.
>> When the mega fauna were still walking around. Thank God for computer
>> generated TV shows!
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On Jan 14, 8:45 am, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>> Thinking like the Earth, I tend to agree with you. Humans are incredibly
>>> destructive. We are a species run amuck with little to be said for us in
>>> terms of living up to our ideals. I'd like to think there is hope for us and
>>> on some level I do, but not before there's a big population crash. Heck of a
>>> way to start the day - thinking about such things.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joseph Zorzin" <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:11:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>>> Subject: [ENTS] Re: ancient Sycamore
>>>
>>> When I see such trees- I always try to imagine North America before the
>>> Euros shows up. Just imagine a virgin continent with billions of
>>> giant/ancient trees, vast numbers of wildlife, clean air and clean water and
>>> humans living in harmony with it- to me, that's the highest point of human
>>> evolution- since then it's been all downhill.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: James Parton
>>> To: ENTSTrees
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:34 AM
>>> Subject: [ENTS] Re: ancient Sycamore
>>>
>>> Beautiful Tree!
>>>
>>> JP
>>>
>>> On Jan 14, 12:20 am, Barry Caselli < [email protected] > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have finally found the scans of the pictures of this tree. This was on a
>>>> rural roadside in Upper Pittsgrove Township, Salem County, NJ. I can give a
>>>> more exact location if needed. I think it would be cool to have this tree
>>>> measured.
>>>> This is one of the largest Sycamores I've ever seen. This one not only has
>>>> girth, but it has some height to it also.
>>>> I was in awe when I was near this one. I photographed it sometime in 2007
>>>> or 2008. I can't remember for sure.
>>>> I think this tree is just crying to be measured! Just look at it! Too bad I
>>>> travel alone, or I could have had a person stand with it for the photo.
>>>> Barry
>>>> P.S.- I normally refer to these trees as Buttonwoods, but for the purposes
>>>> of this group I call them by their more proper name, Sycamores.
>>>>
>>>
>>>> img622.jpg
>>>> 330KViewDownload
>>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
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