Joe,
Not at all. I'd like to hear your take on it. Lots of very poor science quoted in the book. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Zorzin" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:30:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [ENTS] Re: ancient Sycamore I've read it twice and would like to continue a discussion of the real meaning of that book - but such a discussion might be inappropriate for the ENTS list. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn Summers To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:47 PM Subject: [ENTS] Re: ancient Sycamore Joe, I strongly recommend you read the book called 1491. That is the title. 1491. Very interesting. -- Carolyn Summers 63 Ferndale Drive Hastings-on-Hudson, NY 10706 914-478-5712 From: Joseph Zorzin < [email protected] > Reply-To: < [email protected] > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:09:02 -0500 To: < [email protected] > Subject: [ENTS] Re: ancient Sycamore Well, sure, it can't be said that the Indians had no impact on the forests, but it was minor- virtually nothing compared to when the Europeans showed up. I suspect that the vast majority of the forest land in the Northeast as of 1491- would have looked about the same if the Indians had never been here. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Elisa Campbell <mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:07 AM Subject: [ENTS] Re: ancient Sycamore According to a presentation recently by Elizabeth Chilton, an archaeologist at UMass Amherst, there were human inhabitants of southern New England before the forests grew back after the last ice age. So humans modified their culture as the forests grew. Elisa pabigtrees wrote: Joe, Bob The biggest problem is that none of us are willinging to do anything about it but talk. Including myself. If people really believed it was better then, they would revert to that lifestyle. You can do it, it would just be a shock to your current situation. The people who are closest to this idea of living are the Old Order Amish. Farming and living without electricity etc. Although they do use fertilizers and chemicals so noone is perfect. I have read that the forests were not full of big trees though. They would look like an old growth forest of today, as hardwoods seldom live more than 2-300 years. The natives used to burn the undergrowth too for hunting. I would like to see what it looked like before humans entered North america altogether. That would be interesting. When the mega fauna were still walking around. Thank God for computer generated TV shows! Scott On Jan 14, 8:45 am, [email protected] wrote: Joe, Thinking like the Earth, I tend to agree with you. Humans are incredibly destructive. We are a species run amuck with little to be said for us in terms of living up to our ideals. I'd like to think there is hope for us and on some level I do, but not before there's a big population crash. Heck of a way to start the day - thinking about such things. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Zorzin" <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:11:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [ENTS] Re: ancient Sycamore When I see such trees- I always try to imagine North America before the Euros shows up. Just imagine a virgin continent with billions of giant/ancient trees, vast numbers of wildlife, clean air and clean water and humans living in harmony with it- to me, that's the highest point of human evolution- since then it's been all downhill. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: James Parton To: ENTSTrees Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:34 AM Subject: [ENTS] Re: ancient Sycamore Beautiful Tree! JP On Jan 14, 12:20 am, Barry Caselli < [email protected] > wrote: I have finally found the scans of the pictures of this tree. This was on a rural roadside in Upper Pittsgrove Township, Salem County, NJ. I can give a more exact location if needed. I think it would be cool to have this tree measured. This is one of the largest Sycamores I've ever seen. This one not only has girth, but it has some height to it also. I was in awe when I was near this one. I photographed it sometime in 2007 or 2008. I can't remember for sure. I think this tree is just crying to be measured! Just look at it! Too bad I travel alone, or I could have had a person stand with it for the photo. Barry P.S.- I normally refer to these trees as Buttonwoods, but for the purposes of this group I call them by their more proper name, Sycamores. img622.jpg 330KViewDownload img623.jpg 272KViewDownload- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- Elisa K Campbell, Ph.D. Software Support OIT, UMass Amherst (413) 545-1853 fax: (413) 545-3203 ************************************* "I got a simple rule about everybody. If you don't treat me right, shame on you." Louis Armstrong --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org You are subscribed to the Google Groups "ENTSTrees" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
