Don,

Both areas had characteristics that make them worthwhile.  In terms of 
aesthetics I would have to say the north rim area (Stebbin's Gulch North) would 
rate higher.  I will need to go through the listings and see what the numbers 
show.  The north area had more hemlocks and the conifers to me makes the scene 
seem more primeval. There were grand vistas looking down into the gorge which 
contained a stream with rapids and small falls.  The chestnut oaks in 
particular showed their age.  They were twisted and bent by age and the 
weather.  Some of the oaks had the greater than 10 foot girth stems listed in 
my criteria.  The beech trees commonly reached over 100 feet tall.  I would 
thin the hemlock- beech-chestnut oak assemblage was unusual for the area.  

The southern area (Stebbin's Gulch South) had large trees in some areas and 
represented a larger contiguous area.  Some of the trees had the thick bark and 
other characteristics associated with age, but most of the trees seemed 
younger.  It lacked the vistas and the flowing streams in the area we visited.  
There was some more diversity of plants in the herbaceous layer, but this early 
in the season, how diverse is hard to judge.  This are was one of almost 
entirely deciduous hardwoods and at the time of the visit without their 
foliage.  So a deciduous forest varies in its feel for more dramatically with 
the changing seasons than does a conifer forest.  It was nice, but in terms of 
aesthetics I would rate the northern rim area higher,

Ed


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