Gary-
While I am not in the business of coining words, I think our thoughts  
on these matters 'son sympaticos'...words I would throw into this  
mileau would (no surprise I am sure) be 'resilience' and  
'disturbace' (the role of...).
Mas tarde,
Don

Sent from Don's iPhone 3GS...

On Oct 24, 2009, at 8:21 PM, "Gary A. Beluzo" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Joe and Andrew:
>
> Here is a reply to an article (on creating old growth forests)  that  
> was published in an author's blog two years ago..It nicely outlines  
> what I mean by the phrase  "autopoietic forest".
>
> Gary A. Beluzo says:
> October 5, 2007 at 9:39 pm
> I coined the phrase “autopoietic forest” after thinking about  
> what distinguishes natural forests (systems) from MANaged forests (s 
> ystems). Over the past several years I have given several multimedia 
>  presentations to clarify my views. Autopoiesis refers to a living s 
> ystem at the level of cell, organism, ecossytem, or biosphere in whi 
> ch the system is created from within, that is, the system is "self c 
> reated and self maintained".  The autopoietic forest is an ecosystem 
>  that has resulted from the collective genetic wisdom of closely cou 
> pled biota interacting with the environment, co-evolving. Autopoieti 
> c forests are dynamic, complex systems wherein the processes of the  
> system are controlled/maintained primarily by many species interacti 
> ng with their environment. A MANaged system on the other hand is one 
>  whose evolutionary trajectory has been disrupted and is now maintai 
> ned consciously by a single species for the economic benefit of that 
>  species. These MAN-aged systems are greatly simplified (in both phy 
> sical habitat and functional niche) and are managed according to lin 
> ear cause and effect , understanding generally referred to as silvic 
> ulture or "agriculture with trees".
> The problem with using the political (not scientific) term “old grow 
> th forest” to preserve natural systems is that an old growth forest  
> is simply a temporal snapshot in a shifting mosaic of vegetation. IF 
>  preservation is based solely on the defintion of “old growth”  
> then it is inevitable that ALL old growth forests will eventually be 
>  disturbed and return to earlier successive seres, disqualifying the 
> m for preservation. We need to focus more on the “autopoietic”  
> nature of the forest; its degree of naturalness.  There are folks in 
>  Europe that are working on developing criteria to assess degree of  
> naturalness on a ontinuum that runs from natural (i.e. no human dist 
> urbance) to artificial (e.g. a tree plantation), in large part becau 
> se their natural forests are nearly gone.
> IF the forest is not being MANaged and is therefore regulated by  
> natural processes resulting from the interaction of many species and  
> the environment then we can say the system is “natural”;  
> unequivocably it is these "autopoietic forests" that should be set a 
> side for preservation.
> Gary A. B eluzo
> Professor of Environmental Science
> Division of Science, Engineering, and Mathematics
> Holyoke Community College
> 303 Homestead Avenue
> Holyoke, MA 01040
> [email protected]
> http://www.hcc.edu/forest
> Reply
>
> Gary
>
> Gary A. Beluzo
> Professor of Environmental Science
> Division of Science, Engineering, and Mathematics
> Holyoke Community College
> 303 Homestead Avenue
> Holyoke, MA 01040
>
> [email protected]
> 413 552-2445
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2009, at 7:07 AM, Joseph Zorzin wrote:
>
>> That's one of Gary Beluzo's favorite terms and he's one of the few  
>> people who understands it and uses it (he may have coined the term)  
>> so I'm sure he'll elaborate. I have a sense of the meaning and I  
>> kinda like it- I believe for  Gary, it's what happens in old growth  
>> forests- to what extent it may be a useful principle in any sort of  
>> managed forest is the 60 million dollar question.
>>
>> In particular, the question is interesting regarding forests  
>> managed for old growth structures, as described in that brochure.
>> Joe
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Andrew Joslin
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 1:56 PM
>> Subject: [ENTS] Re: "Restoring Late-Successional Forest Structure"???
>>
>>
>> Joe, can you get me (us) up-to-speed on the term "autopoietic" as
>> applied to forest ecology? It sounds like you mean self- 
>> regenerating or
>> self-maintaining, not sure though.
>> -AJ
>>
>> Joseph Zorzin wrote:
>> >  check out
>> > http://www.masswoods.net/images/stories/pdf/forest_mgr_guide_ls_structure_web.pdf
>> >
>> > comments?
>> >
>> > Gary Beluzo? What say ye about this? Those restored pseudo semi old
>> > growth forests won't be autopoietic?
>> >
>> > Joe
>> >
>> > >
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