Dale, Kirk,
Thus we see the advantage of having firsthand, on-the-ground knowledge of a species and its distribution. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Luthringer" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 2:08:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [ENTS] Re: King Pennisula, Allegheny River, Forest County, PA Bob, Kirk, We've got some pretty big cukes in Erie County PA, definitely in the glacial zone. The particular site I'm thinking of is in Scott Community Park adjacent to Presque Isle Bay. They're the largest stand of cucumbertree I've seen anywhere so far in the state. I certainly haven't seen the whole state, but Scott Park would be very hard to beat for any cucumbertree stand in Western PA. A number of trees exceed 11ft CBH, some just exceed 15ft CBH. Dale On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Kirk Johnson < [email protected] > wrote: Looking closer at the map, there is a notable outline of the north side of the Big Bend in the Allegheny River. So maybe the soil is not so great there for cucumber magnolias. Where the glacier terminated in Cattaraugus County. In the vicinity of Salamanca. Bob, I don't remember hearing that before, so I don't know if it's true. However, the attached distribution map I found online seems to indicate otherwise (showing range into NYS all the way to Lake Ontario). On the other hand, the Allegheny NF & environs does seem to be a good home for cucumber magnolia anecdotally speaking. There are a lot of them here and some of them are large, so they seem to like it here. (They are one of my favorites.) Kirk Kirk, I was once told by a forest ecologist from Vermont that the cucumber magnolia appears south of the glaciated zone in western NY-PA, but not in it. I presume there isn't a sharp line of demarcation, but practically so. Is this explanation for the distribution of cucumber magnolia still in vogue? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Johnson" < [email protected] > To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2009 11:32:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [ENTS] Re: King Pennisula, Allegheny River, Forest County, PA Bob, That is true. To the west of the Allegheny River and to the east of the Big Level was glaciated. But what is today Allegany State Park in NY and the Allegheny NF was not glaciated. Kirk Johnson Ed, I am jealous. The Connecticut River corridor has some fine trees, but the Allegheny River has sycamores and silver maples that exceed any I've found along the Connecticut. If I remember correctly, the area of the Allegheny in PA wasn't glaciated. Is that correct? Bob --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
