Tom, 

Maybe we can coordinate a trip to Green Lake in the spring. If we can attract 
several tree measuring Ents to join us, we could collectively cover a lot of 
ground and species and do justice to that site. There were some very promising 
sugar maples there. I broke 120 on one of them. I have little doubt that there 
are plenty more. My guess is that the Rucker Index of Green lakes should be at 
least 120. Let's stay n touch. We're really excited about you and Robert Henry 
doing this extra work. 


I appreciate your devotion to Wizard of Oz Woods. I well understand that kind 
of devotion to a site. 


Bob 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "thomas howard" <[email protected]> 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2009 8:29:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [ENTS] Re: North Syracuse Cemetery Oak Grove Heights 

Bob, 


It's not likely we can get out to Green Lakes this year as I don't have a car 
(the North Syracuse oak groves are walking distance from where I live) and the 
brutal central NY winter is about to set in. It soon will be snowing every day 
and we often get over 150" snow a year. Green Lakes is a fantastic place and in 
the spring I'd like to get out there - there's a lot more to measure there in 
1000 acres of old growth with Tuliptrees you found to be over 144 ft. tall in 
2002, Bitternut Hickory 135 ft. tall, possibly thousands of Sugar Maples over 
200 years old and over 110 ft. tall, Basswoods that could be 120 ft. + and more 
including Hemlocks over 300 years old. But I think it will have to wait till 
spring, in that short window of time between winter and leaf out 
(and the onset of Lyme Disease season - a serious problem at Green Lakes due to 
excessive deer population). If the winter is mild maybe we can get out there 
this winter but that's not likely in our dreary central NY climate. 


Sassafras is one of my favorite trees, and is rare in central NY but North 
Syracuse has an isolated population of Sassafras with the largest trees 20"+ 
dbh and up to 75 ft. tall, and up to possibly 150 years old; North Syracuse 
also has isolated populations of Black Gum (very common in the village here but 
rare elsewhere - oldest Black Gums are est. 240+ years old - oldest could be 
Anne Frank Tree in Wizard of Oz Oak Grove and the hollow twisted balding Tree 
#34 in Cemetery Oak Grove) and Black Oak - common here but very rare elsewhere 
in central NY. 


Tom Howard 

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