Thanks for the history lesson!
Michele

> Dale:
>
>    A number of years ago--at least 20 or so, I talked to an individual
> who had some good information, I think, about the history of the
> planting of NS in America.  I lost my notes, and doubt I could find
> the person again.  Anyway, here is a summary of what I know.
>
>    First, many Norway spruce are older than they might seem on first
> glance.  There is fairly good indications of surviving NS planted at
> about 1835 or so.  I know of several such trees. There is one I saw in
> Brooklyn Township in PA--a former AFA national champ--that looked to
> me to be about that old. What may be the oldest NS based on its
> appearance and maybe a guess about the history of the house, is in
> Leesburg, VA at the mansion at Morvin Park (open to the public).  It
> is the very old one growing right next to the house.  I would love to
> know its age, but I would not be surprized if it was planted at about
> 1800, possibly before. Yes, I know appearances can be deceiving, but I
> am making an educated guess, having seen a number from the period
> around 1835.
>
>    The first time NS was planted in any numbers--according to a story
> I was told--was at the time of the Columbian Exposition in Chicagi in
> 1893.  NS seedlings were distributed to people who visited the German
> pavilion.  There is an old German tradition of planting "bride and
> groom" trees in the front yard of houses, one on each side of a front
> walk.  You see many, many of these pairs of trees all across the
> larger northeastern US.  Often one is gone, but the other survives.
> Many of these may date from 1893.  There are a several such pairs
> surviving here in Winchester, VA
>
>    The first real "mass" planting was done by the CCC in the 1930's.
> There are hundreds and hundreds of such plantations.  A lot of them
> have been cut, unfortunately, but a lot survive. There have been a
> fair number planted since, many as Christmas tree plantations that
> were not harvested and have grown up. My stands have this origin, and
> were planted in 1966.
>
>    --Gaines
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> On Jan 4, 11:45 am, Dale Luthringer <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> James,
>>
>> I'm reluctant to core the tree.  It's the only one on site of its
>> stature,
>> and in a state natural area.  It's part of an old family plantation, the
>> General Irvine estate.  He was a Rev War era general who after the war
>> received partial pay in a large land grant.  I'd defer to Scott or Will
>> who
>> would know more about when the first Norway's were introduced into
>> Pennsylvania.  It certainly wouldn't go any older than that, but I
>> wouldn't
>> be surprised that it'd make it to over 100 years old.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:12 AM, James Parton
>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Dale, ENTS
>>
>> > Does anyone have an estimate on the age of the Anders Run spruce?
>>
>> > JP
>>
>> > On Jan 4, 9:43 am, Dale Luthringer <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> > > Gaines, Will,
>>
>> > > The last time I measured the Anders Run Norway spruce it was at
>> 10.5ft
>> > CBH x
>> > > 135.2ft high on 10/18/06.  A Norway in the 140ft class would be an
>> > > incredible find for the Eastern U.S.
>>
>> > > Dale
>>-
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