Interesting. (But what should the savannah sparrow expect when it even calls itself a sandwich? "Deer ate two Savannah sparrow (Passerculus sandwichensis)" )
of course deer also eat undergrowth and mess up tree regeneration, at least in areas like NJ with tons of edge effect -Larry From: Paul Jost Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENTS] Re: Projected heights and Jenny's wrath Do you really think that only omnivores/carnivores kill or eat birds? Read this surprising article on deer depredation on grassland songbirds: http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/resource/birds/deerpred/index.htm Years ago, I watched deer eat dead fish that had floated up onto Lake Superior's shore. They surely eat practically everything in the wilds! Paul On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 1:48 PM, DON BERTOLETTE <[email protected]> wrote: Larry- I was speaking so tongue-in-cheek, I wasn't sure if you caught my message...;>} -Don ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENTS] Re: Projected heights and Jenny's wrath Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:42:47 -0500 Don, haha, true, the only problem is with the "etc." ground-nesting natives in particular get devastated if there are free-roaming cats in the area. -Larry From: DON BERTOLETTE Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ENTS] Re: Projected heights and Jenny's wrath Larry- Fear not, another predator is unleashed daily and may assist in the reduction of house sparrows, etc...the common housecat...;>} -DOn > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENTS] Re: Projected heights and Jenny's wrath > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:22:55 -0500 > > Andrew, > > haha although out in the wilds starlings and house sparrows are pretty bad > though since they kill off native species, at least where the forest > interior is not deep enough, where it often is not in today's fragmented > landscapes (well certainly in many parts of the mid-atlantic northeast) > > it seems like starlings tend to kill off eastern bluebirds and red-headed > woodpeckers > > and cowbirds, while native, have spread along all the artificial edges > created and knock off warblers and others > > and introduced rats have all but extirpated the native wood rats of NJ, I > think there is only one remaining colony left (oddly looking over Manhattan) > and the last one near my area I think got killed off 10-20 years ago :( > > -Larry > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Andrew Joslin" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:29 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ENTS] Re: Projected heights and Jenny's wrath > > > Cultural difference here :-) City dwelling naturalists (like myself and > > likely Jenny) often have a sense of the preciousness of all nature has to > > offer. That includes birds like pigeons, starlings gulls and house > > sparrows which many think of as "trash" species. What's impressive is that > > they persist as wild animals in urban environments and their presence > > carries a little bit of nature into the urban environment. So call them > > "stinkin' birds" at your peril!! :-) Hey, I like ailanthus and rats too, > > what can I say, I'm weird :-) > > -AJ > > > > JennyNYC wrote: > >> Okay, the shooting of "stinking birds" is a joke (and a bad one), > >> right????!!!!!! > >> > >> Jenny > >> > >> > >> > >> On Jan 12, 11:12 am, Gaines McMartin <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Bob: > >>> > >>> I have sat on the front porch of the little trailer home I have at > >>> my timberland, and many, many times contemplated the possibility of > >>> shooting a few of these stinking birds. So far I have not had the > >>> initiative to do that. But.... > >>> > >>> --Gaines > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> ---------- > >>> > >>> On 1/12/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Gaines, > >>>> Oh boy, I hope a rift doesn't develop here in ENTS. Those of us > >>>> obsessed > >>>> with tree heights will naturally want to limit damage by birds perching > >>>> in > >>>> the crowns, especially their highest parts. I'm definitely not > >>>> suggesting > >>>> anyone get out his/her youthful slingshot, but in time the temptation > >>>> could > >>>> grow. Giving this line of thinking a foothold could prompt Jennifer > >>>> Dudley > >>>> to establish a bird safety patrol to keep a close eye on us measurers. > >>>> Jenny's wrath would be swift and terrible. Resist the temptation Will. > >>>> Resist the temptation Scott, John, Dale, .......... Resist. Resist. > >>>> Bob > >>>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
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