Andrew,

haha although out in the wilds starlings and house sparrows are pretty bad though since they kill off native species, at least where the forest interior is not deep enough, where it often is not in today's fragmented landscapes (well certainly in many parts of the mid-atlantic northeast)

it seems like starlings tend to kill off eastern bluebirds and red-headed woodpeckers

and cowbirds, while native, have spread along all the artificial edges created and knock off warblers and others

and introduced rats have all but extirpated the native wood rats of NJ, I think there is only one remaining colony left (oddly looking over Manhattan) and the last one near my area I think got killed off 10-20 years ago :(

-Larry

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From: "Andrew Joslin" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:29 AM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ENTS] Re: Projected heights and Jenny's wrath

Cultural difference here :-) City dwelling naturalists (like myself and likely Jenny) often have a sense of the preciousness of all nature has to offer. That includes birds like pigeons, starlings gulls and house sparrows which many think of as "trash" species. What's impressive is that they persist as wild animals in urban environments and their presence carries a little bit of nature into the urban environment. So call them "stinkin' birds" at your peril!! :-) Hey, I like ailanthus and rats too, what can I say, I'm weird :-)
-AJ

JennyNYC wrote:
Okay, the shooting of "stinking birds" is a joke (and a bad one),
right????!!!!!!

Jenny



On Jan 12, 11:12 am, Gaines McMartin <[email protected]>
wrote:

Bob:

   I have sat on the front porch of the little trailer home I have at
my timberland, and many, many times contemplated the possibility of
shooting a few of these stinking birds.  So far I have not had the
initiative to do that.  But....

   --Gaines
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On 1/12/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:




Gaines,
Oh boy, I hope a rift doesn't develop here in ENTS. Those of us obsessed with tree heights will naturally want to limit damage by birds perching in the crowns, especially their highest parts. I'm definitely not suggesting anyone get out his/her youthful slingshot, but in time the temptation could grow. Giving this line of thinking a foothold could prompt Jennifer Dudley
to establish a bird safety patrol to keep a close eye on us measurers.
Jenny's wrath would be swift and terrible. Resist the temptation Will.
Resist the temptation Scott, John, Dale, .......... Resist. Resist.
      Bob







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