[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> If I am looking to get a good focal length for birds and want very good, but
> not pro results. . . .
>
> The more I read, it seems like there are no really good solutions for my price range.

Bird photography is a fairly specialized pursuit, in the sense that relatively 
expensive equipment is necessary to get the kinds of results you're probably 
visualizing. There's really no way around this. IMO the most cost-effective approach 
is a second-hand fixed-focal-length telephoto lens, one or two extenders, and practice 
on your close-approach techniques and/or constructing a blind. As you will discover, 
if you haven't already, birds are much easier to photograph when you let them come to 
you.

$850 for the 400/5.6L isn't too bad when you consider that a 300/4L plus 1.4x extender 
would be even more. The 400/5.6 + 1.4x extender will get you to 560/8, not too bad 
considering that the 300/2.8L + 2x extender only gets you to 600/5.6 for a whole lot 
more money. For birds, if the fast teles are out of reach, the 400/5.6L would probably 
be a better starting point than the 300/4, since you can get close to 600mm with the 
1.4x extender rather than the 2x, which has a more noticeable effect on image quality 
than does the 1.4x.

No option is cheap but if you want satisfying results you'll probably have to find a 
way to budget about $1200 (assuming you already have a sturdy tripod and ballhead)�a 
lot of money, but when you consider that the next step is the 500/4.5L at about three 
times the price ($3400 from KEH), it's not such a bad deal if you can swing it. When 
budgeting this out, be sure to factor in a copy of George Morris's �The Art of Bird 
Photography� if you don't have one already.  :-)

fcc

PS: �Pro results��don't kid yourself. Even though you may need the highest level of 
technical excellence to *sell* a photo, you don't need that level to meet the quality 
requirements of offset printing. Indeed, you probably need a better image for an 11x14 
photographic enlargement for your wall than you do to get a decent image on book or 
magazine paper�and for newspapers you could probably get away with an Instamatic if 
you could get the shot with one. Just because someone is a pro doesn't mean their 
photos are great (although of course some are)�it just means they get paid for them.

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