> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:18:38 +0100
> From: Michael Quack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: EOS Which lenses with a D60?
> 
> > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:28:27 -0200
> > From: "Nelson Ricciardi" 
> > Subject: Re: EOS Which lenses with a D60?
> > 
> > Check this
> >
>
http://www.stevedunn.ca/photos/writings/eflenses.html
> 
> But note that this link is about a test
> performed with
> film! The problem is the very small sensor
> structure
> which exceeds the capabilities of the lens,
> which can
> also be seen in the Photodo MTF curves (40
> lp/mm is the
> thing to look at). The difference is much more
> pronounced
> with the D60 than it possibly can be with film.
> 
[...]
> > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:44:47 -0800
> > From: "Skip Middleton" 
> > Subject: Re: EOS Which lenses with a D60?
> 
> > I have tack sharp 11x14 enlargements using
> Plus-X and that lens, 
> 
> Bingo. You used it with film.
> The chip is much less forgiving on fine
> details.
> Plus the fact that the tack sharp thing in
> prints from film
> can as well be film grain, which mustn't be
> image information
> at the same time.
> 
> > so what you are basically saying is that the
> D60, at 6mp, will
> > outperform Plus-X, XP-2 and APX 100, all
> films that I have 
> > used the lens with and with great success,
> right?  
> 
> In relation to the sensor size - yes. Film has
> an edge for
> the bigger imaging area, but cropped to DSLR
> sensor size,
> the difference starts to show, and it shows
> very much in
> higher frequencies, where a lens like the
> 28-135 is noticably
> softer than e.g. the 2.5/50 mm macro or the
> 1.2/85 mm L.
> 
> You just don't notice the difference as much on
> film
> since 1) you see sharp film grain, which is not
> necessarily
> image detail and 2) digital works like a
> bandpass, where
> with increasing chip resolution the point of
> failure
> "pops out" on some lenses.
> 
> So, in the end the 28-135 is not a bad lens, in
> fact
> it might be better than many others, certainly
> better
> than the usual set zooms, but not good enough
> to make
> up with what the sensor of the D60 can do.
> 

Let me see if I follow you. You say that the
28-135 doesn't deliver to the capabilities of the
D60 because you have to cropp and some
deficiencies of the lens are going to show?
Because the 28-70L is a better lens, image on a
D60 is going to be better, right?
So if Canon makes tomorrow a very cheap DSLR, 6MP
with 3x manifying factor, the 28-135 is really
going to suck, right? 
Well, I think that in that camera, even the
28-70L is going to suck but not because the
lenses can't deliver to the camera *standards*
but because the camera can't deliver to the
standard is meant to be, and that's a 35mm film
or (guess) a full size sensor.
The 28-135 is a very decent lens capable of
making a center fold image on an EOS 1v and maybe
a 1Ds. If the D60's sensor is smaller therefore
some distortions are going to show when enlarged,
is not 28-135's fault. That would be like saying
that the 28-70L can't deliver to 135 standards
because when cropped, some distortions start
showing.
I think we should keep in mind that the
*standard* is FILM. Nothing performs better than
a good L glass + excellent film. Digital have
brought a lot of advantages and changes into
photography, specially for PJ, but is digital who
have to catch up with film standards and not the
other way around.

Cheers,

Carlos

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