Darn, hit the send key too quickly. The rep is full of it. Most of the reps you 
run across know very little and pretend to know much more. Basically imbeciles 
that can talk well. The loose front element should not be. The lens is a Planar 
type and there is no such thing as a loose element in that design. Even the 
Hassy floating element system in several lenses was not "loose." 
Sent it in to Canon. As to your test, would love to see the results. 
Personally, I never thought the Canon Macro was great. I opted for the Tamron 
90mm (sharper), the Sigma 105mm (as sharp as the Tamron but longer but has 
lousy bokeh) and now the Sigma 70mm which is the best I have had. I would still 
be in terested in how you mounted the Nikon on a Canon EOS. But if it works for 
you, use it. I would love to find a Kiron 105mm F2.8 in any mount that can fit 
the EOS. As I said that was the sharpest macro I've ever used. And yes, I have 
used the Nikon 105mm. Incidentally, yours is better than the new VR version.

Peter K

----- Original Message ----
From: Stan Patz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:12:47 PM
Subject: Re: 50 f1.4 - EOS EF 135mm f/2L

>The older Nikon 105mm was a lens that is very sharp, but there is a lot of 
>myths about it and as time goes on those myths become larger. Was it sharp? 
>Yes. Sharper than modern lenses? Depends which lens you compare it to. I 
>would put my new Sigma 70mm F2.8 EX against your Nikon 105mm

>The 50mm F1.4 is  a great lens, but the fact that you have a loose front 
>element means you should get it checked. It is still more a consumer grade 
>lens much like the Nikon 50mm F1.4.  Mine is fine and I am not easy on my 
>lenses. Maybe you have a defective one.
>
>Peter K
>
 >
>Subsequently, I bought a 50mm f1.4 and found that it too delivers a good
>image. But the loose front element on this lens has always made me wonder
>about Canon design. My ancient Nikon 105mm f2.5 Macro, and, to a lesser
>extent, the Nikon 50mm f1.4 can still beat my current Canon lenses. Not
>everything newer is sharper.

To Peter and the group,

Legends aside, I recently did a head-to-head test on my 1Ds between the new 
Canon 100mm Macro and my 35 year-old Nikon 105mm Macro.The older lens was 
sharper with less vignetting.

But the loose front element on my Canon 50mm f1.4 bothers me. After using it 
a few times, I called and complained to a tech rep saying that I could loose 
image registration due to movement in sequential frames when inserting a gel 
filter in my bellows lens shade. The tech rep said I should not use a heavy 
lens shade (buy a Canon one instead!). Furthermore, he explained that the 
"loose front element" was part of the focusing system of that lens. I 
pointed out that no other lens I owned, old, new or crappy had so much 
wobble. Well, other Canon lenses have internal focusing, but that's the way 
the 50mms are made, he said. End of discussion.

Stan Patz   NYC

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.PatzImaging.com

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