Perhaps we could have a light image of the humps in the background? We could call the daily build something else -- working software perhaps?
-Scott On Fri, October 12, 2007 5:16 am, Ben Williams said: > Our experience is that the reaction is far less positive when talking to > software departments within companies with a wider system or mechanical > engineering focus. > > Ben > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:39 PM > To: Epf > Subject: Re: [epf-dev] OpenUP Summary Graphic > > My 2cents > > I talked through this diagram with someone new to OpenUP recently and > the gears idea really worked for them. The concept that actual work > pushes the project through the phase milestones rather than the team > being pushed through an arbitrary phase plan seemed to work well in > discussion. > I agree with the idea that the micro-increment should have a build > product associated with it. What we label it is open for discussion but > it should be distinguished from a "shippable build". > During discussion (and not for the first time) I found myself flipping > back to the classic RUP humpback diagram to emphasise that there is > activity from many disciplines in a phase increment - the old "iterative > not waterfall" discussion still lives :-). I seem to recall a discussion > about dropping this approach from our graphic but this may have created > a gap in the message. > Overall though, the response to the graphic has been vet positive, in my > experience. > Cheers > Mark > > Mark Dickson > EAS Practice > Xansa > 0780 1917480 > *** sent from my blackberry *** > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott W. Ambler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 10/11/2007 11:45 AM > To: "Eclipse Process Framework Project Developers List" > <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [epf-dev] OpenUP Summary Graphic > > > A few thoughts > 1. The gears are a bit distracting. We should clean them up. > 2. Each of the rows should produce something. i.e. the daily cycle > results in a working build. This would help to get the idea across that > working software is a major deliverable. > > Scott > > On Wed, October 10, 2007 10:00 pm, Nate Oster said: >> I'm a big fan of the graphic, so I'm obviously biased, but I do see > the >> concern what I start thinking about it too much. It's that pesky >> physics always intruding on our mental models! ;) >> >> >> >> Anyway, if the notion is simply to make the gears more physically >> accurate, then I think they need teeth that are spaced properly. The >> Work Items gear, for example, could have only one tooth, so that each >> completed work item advances the iteration by one "increment" toward >> completion of a shippable Build. >> >> >> >> I DO like the "elongated tooth" on the Iteration gear. Now if we > could >> just get it to make sense. I think it's just a matter of visual >> spacing. There must be an engineer who can help us poor software > people >> out. :-) >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Nate Oster >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Behalf Of Ben Williams >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:15 AM >> To: Eclipse Process Framework Project Developers List >> Subject: [epf-dev] OpenUP Summary Graphic >> >> >> >> Hi all >> >> >> >> We have been speaking with various customers about EPF and OpenUP. >> >> >> >> We have received feedback that the main OpenUP graphic (the cogs) is >> distracting because: >> >> >> >> - it uses a mechanical metaphor to illustrate an integrated process, > yet >> the mechanics do not mesh >> >> - there is no way that the two cogs could actually mesh >> >> - the elongated tooth on the iteration cog is odd >> >> - these issues distract from the conceptual message being conveyed >> >> >> >> I have attached a modified version - this is just an example of how > the >> deficiencies in the graphic could be addressed - the graphic should be >> corrected properly by someone with better photoshop skills :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> >> Ben >> >> >> Collaborate to Innovate! 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