Hi Mark, I don't *think* anyone had a problem with the graphic in general...it is just the details (gears won't mesh, elongated tooth would bind up the works) that was questioned. I also like the graphic.
Cheers, Chris -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 5:47 AM To: Epf Subject: Re: [epf-dev] OpenUP Summary Graphic Hi I accept what you're saying Ben and hope you didn't see my email as arguing against your point of view :-) I'd be very interested in learning more about your experiences with OpenUP adoption and hope to have an opportunity to catch up and exchange stories on that in person sometime. Personallly I'd be fine with the idea that we have a different headline graphic if the current one isn't doing a good enough job for the community at large. I'd still like to be able to call on the current graphic in some form though, even if it wasn't the headline one. I guess this is reminding us of what Phillipe Kruchten pointed out in his 4+1 paper in the '90's - one model viewpoint is never enough ;-) Cheers Mark Mark Dickson EAS Practice Xansa 0780 1917480 *** sent from my blackberry *** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Williams" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10/12/2007 10:16 AM To: "Eclipse Process Framework Project Developers List" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [epf-dev] OpenUP Summary Graphic Our experience is that the reaction is far less positive when talking to software departments within companies with a wider system or mechanical engineering focus. Ben -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:39 PM To: Epf Subject: Re: [epf-dev] OpenUP Summary Graphic My 2cents I talked through this diagram with someone new to OpenUP recently and the gears idea really worked for them. The concept that actual work pushes the project through the phase milestones rather than the team being pushed through an arbitrary phase plan seemed to work well in discussion. I agree with the idea that the micro-increment should have a build product associated with it. What we label it is open for discussion but it should be distinguished from a "shippable build". During discussion (and not for the first time) I found myself flipping back to the classic RUP humpback diagram to emphasise that there is activity from many disciplines in a phase increment - the old "iterative not waterfall" discussion still lives :-). I seem to recall a discussion about dropping this approach from our graphic but this may have created a gap in the message. Overall though, the response to the graphic has been vet positive, in my experience. Cheers Mark Mark Dickson EAS Practice Xansa 0780 1917480 *** sent from my blackberry *** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott W. Ambler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10/11/2007 11:45 AM To: "Eclipse Process Framework Project Developers List" <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [epf-dev] OpenUP Summary Graphic A few thoughts 1. The gears are a bit distracting. We should clean them up. 2. Each of the rows should produce something. i.e. the daily cycle results in a working build. This would help to get the idea across that working software is a major deliverable. Scott On Wed, October 10, 2007 10:00 pm, Nate Oster said: > I'm a big fan of the graphic, so I'm obviously biased, but I do see the > concern what I start thinking about it too much. It's that pesky > physics always intruding on our mental models! ;) > > > > Anyway, if the notion is simply to make the gears more physically > accurate, then I think they need teeth that are spaced properly. The > Work Items gear, for example, could have only one tooth, so that each > completed work item advances the iteration by one "increment" toward > completion of a shippable Build. > > > > I DO like the "elongated tooth" on the Iteration gear. Now if we could > just get it to make sense. I think it's just a matter of visual > spacing. There must be an engineer who can help us poor software people > out. :-) > > > > Thanks, > > Nate Oster > > > > ________________________________ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Ben Williams > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:15 AM > To: Eclipse Process Framework Project Developers List > Subject: [epf-dev] OpenUP Summary Graphic > > > > Hi all > > > > We have been speaking with various customers about EPF and OpenUP. > > > > We have received feedback that the main OpenUP graphic (the cogs) is > distracting because: > > > > - it uses a mechanical metaphor to illustrate an integrated process, yet > the mechanics do not mesh > > - there is no way that the two cogs could actually mesh > > - the elongated tooth on the iteration cog is odd > > - these issues distract from the conceptual message being conveyed > > > > I have attached a modified version - this is just an example of how the > deficiencies in the graphic could be addressed - the graphic should be > corrected properly by someone with better photoshop skills :) > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Ben > > > Collaborate to Innovate! 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