Hi, I agree that the output needs to be the "Continuous Integration Build". It takes your little piece of work and integrates with the rest, whenever that is... It is not a 'nightly build', it just says that as you produce something of value, integrate it so you can get feedback.
On feedback, I agree that it would be good to make more explicit, but I am also afraid of adding more complexity. Should there be a separate graphic talking specifically about feedback loops? - Continuous Integration Build provides feedback on what you did last - Daily status meeting impacts what you do next day, and potentially the iteration plan - Iterations give feedback impacting the backlog / project plan I think we have an issue with iterations not being sufficiently visible in the Project Lifecycle graphic. On my slides, I am now putting in "Iteration 1, Iteration 2, ..." for the different iterations... Is there a solution that is crips that does not involve as much text? On changes of the cogs. This may be an improvement, but if you see that doing an iteration is to churn the middle wheel one round, then it would drive the project lifecycle forward by two full project lengths,,, (25 vs. 13 cogs). That is why we originally but the big cog in, which mpped to cogs corresponding to the iterations on the Project Lifecycle... Is there a solution to this? Especially when combined with the above point on iterations not being visible in the project lifecycle, I think we have a problem... Cheers Per Kroll STSM, Manager Methods: RUP / RMC Project Lead: Eclipse Process Framework Rational Software, IBM Corp (M) 408-219-2963 "Chris Sibbald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/26/2007 06:58 AM Please respond to Eclipse Process Framework Project Developers List <[email protected]> To "Eclipse Process Framework Project Developers List" <[email protected]> cc External Chris Sibbald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject RE: [epf-dev] OpenUP Summary Graphic Shouldn't the output of the micro-increment be the "Continous Integration Build"? Cheers, Chris -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott W. Ambler Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 5:54 AM To: Eclipse Process Framework Project Developers List Subject: RE: [epf-dev] OpenUP Summary Graphic Each of the levels should show some sort of product. I like the term "build" but not so sure about "nightly build" as it implies a specific rate. - Scott On Thu, October 25, 2007 6:30 am, Ben Williams said: > Mark, > > Im not sure if it's a word or not :) > > But I agree that it would be useful to show a build output from the > micro-increment level. > > Ben > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:22 AM > To: Eclipse Process Framework Project Developers List > Subject: Re: [epf-dev] OpenUP Summary Graphic > > Hi Ben > > I have finally had the chance to look at the graphic properly > (blackberry's are great for some things and not for others). > > I think that the changes you have shown seem good IMHO - they do seem > cosmetic in terms of the intent of the original diagram but I > completely understand that they may make the diagram more acceptable > to mechanical engineers :-) > > As per previous discussion on this thread, I think we should consider > adding a build product to the micro-increment - something that > represents a build similar to an integration stream / nightly build > idea of course, rather than a shippable build. In principal, this too > could be "demo-able" > (is that a real word?). > > cheers > > Mark > > Mark Dickson > Executive Consultant > EAS Practice > m 0780 1917480 > w www.xansa.com > e [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > "Ben Williams" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > elogic.com> > To > Sent by: "Eclipse Process Framework > Project > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Developers List" > > clipse.org <[email protected]> > > > cc > > > 10 October 2007 > Subject > 13:14 ZE2 [epf-dev] OpenUP Summary Graphic > > > > > > Please respond to > > Eclipse Process > > Framework Project > > Developers List > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > org> > > > > > > > > > > Hi all > > We have been speaking with various customers about EPF and OpenUP. > > We have received feedback that the main OpenUP graphic (the cogs) is > distracting because: > > - it uses a mechanical metaphor to illustrate an integrated process, > yet the mechanics do not mesh > - there is no way that the two cogs could actually mesh > - the elongated tooth on the iteration cog is odd > - these issues distract from the conceptual message being conveyed > > I have attached a modified version - this is just an example of how > the deficiencies in the graphic could be addressed - the graphic > should be corrected properly by someone with better photoshop skills > :) > > (Embedded image moved to file: > pic05831.jpg)cid:752485009@10102007-10D6 > > Thoughts? > > Ben > > > > Collaborate to Innovate! 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