Oh well, Alpha, beta, delta and theta rhythms are computer abstracted phonies. the Brain is always churning away at all frequencies, but we usually pay attention to only one. Forgetting, I once used to recall title, page and passage, but at a certain level of storage that disappears, bummer, not to forget old age. I like snerting, I'll steal that. adrian
archytas wrote: > I did look up the brain reference Adrian - but didn't find what I was > after. Practical concerns take most of my time just now. There is a > great deal that decent human kind doesn't need to know in order to be > decent, much as birds don't need knowing consciousness to flock. I > spotted something in a biological bulletin a few weeks back but seem > to have lost my connection. It was about some kind of physical find > indicating multi-dimensional activities in thinking processes. I > would once have been able to go straight back to the reference on > memory, but need to catalogue everything these days and didn't. It > will probably turn up in memory when I get to plant my autumn > vegetables - if this rain stops and lets me throw some real horseshit > into the ground. Mathematical perceptions are not just calculated - > something else is profoundly involved in the very conscious awareness > that the world of perception is all about. The place of mind in > relation to physical theory is currently rather incongruous. Inter- > relating features of different worlds need to be understood, even if > we really live in one world we somewhat barely glimpse. Some of us > want to know more - but we should remember that there are many > fraudulent ways to appear clever and some very rotten reasons some > want to appear so. I quickly know when people are talking rot in my > specialist areas, yet also that I write rot in order to attend > conferences and the like from time to time. I also know that some of > my colleagues could not spot talent as long as they have holes in > their ... There is sometimes new work that lays out new paths and > potential, but it is rare that this comes from left field. Academe > soon deteriorates into the kind of ad hominem (SNERTING etc) we can > find all over the Net. It may be disguised in politesse and > etiquette, yet one can smell that it is mannered nastiness. I tend to > prefer working with people who will tell me to sod off and can take > jibes without paranoid response. They are few and far between. > > On 3 Sep, 22:03, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> *** strongly suggests reading Abū Hamīd bin Abū Bakr Ibrāhīm's "Manteq >> al-Tayr (Conversation of the Birds)" *** >> >> On Sep 3, 1:20 pm, Georges Metanomski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Birsds of feather flock together. Under the "idiot" motto. >>> --- On Wed, 9/3/08, ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> From: ornamentalmind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Subject: [epistemology 9371] Re: a fierce tale told by an idiot >>>> To: "Epistemology" <[email protected]> >>>> Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 9:11 PM >>>> Thank you. >>>> On Sep 3, 1:57 am, adrf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> Installment no 2. After thinking over whether to stay >>>> linear or go beyond. >>>>> I'm going beyond. Plato suffers from nominalism. >>>> If an idea can be captured in a word, it's >>>>> usually made into a noun which usuallly names an >>>> object which then has to be given a location >>>>> somewhere. It's obvious that ideas don't grow >>>> on trees and are not found in rabbit holes or >>>>> squirrel's nests, so it must be somewhere else. >>>> Since I don't speak ancient gReek or am in >>>>> touch with the Greek zeitgeist It is possible it is >>>> not Plato but translation into a modern >>>>> language with those faults that distort such things. >>>> Photons are an example. If they were >>>>> actually photons, light particles, the sky should be >>>> lit up like a Neon shopping site. It is >>>>> not, so a better explanation would be that whatever it >>>> is, a radiation, changes into light when >>>>> hitting earth surrounding energy fields. >>>>> Occultism ditto. It talks about the Akashic records, >>>> name first coined by Madame Blavatsky. >>>>> There are no angels with sharpened feathers writing it >>>> all down on papyrus or bleached >>>>> sheepskins. NO factories in heaven. Heaven would need >>>> extra buildings pretty fast, not to >>>>> ignore the legions of clerics to read them. Besides I >>>> doubt heaven is interested in trivia >>>>> collecting. If it rains there's no little pages >>>> with placards running around with" "this is >>>>> rain" printed on them. Rain is its own >>>> information you readily interpret, eh! >>>>> So let's assume information all sentient life is >>>> equipped to interpret to advantage of its own >>>>> survival and comfort. A rabbit found grazing alongside >>>> a very noisy highway ran away when >>>>> somebody trod on the grass nearby. Obviously rabbit >>>> knew the noise was not going to kill it but >>>>> as to humans it was not so sure. >>>>> Get the message? It applies to many other things, even >>>> cosmology where we should not plaster >>>>> our silly parochial ideas across the sky and complain >>>> when it turns out not to be the case. I >>>>> have been visited by what one may call an angel. A >>>> polycoloured sphere, size varies. Ancient >>>>> and up to medieval ideas have it they can shape >>>> change, something Sheldrake is into as >>>>> morphogenesis and calls it science, haha. That >>>> happened at Lourdes when the Virgin Mary visited >>>>> those children. Other people saw flying saucers. My >>>> daughter just visited and told me her >>>>> oldest daughter is attended by invisible to daughter >>>> monsters who do a brilliant job of >>>>> manipulating mummy and Daddy, which sound like an >>>> intelligent solution to me. My own son when >>>>> he passed through the nightmare stage, which is when >>>> children discover is not as nice a place >>>>> as they believed before, etc blahh. WE discussed the >>>> matter and invented a lioness who slept >>>>> under the bed during the day and came out and, like >>>> the cat, to sleep at his feet on top of the >>>>> bed. No more nightmares. I never found out where she >>>> went when he grew up some more and did not >>>>> need her any more. Grand daughters monsters have all >>>> manner of hiding places but they always >>>>> know when she needs them. Daughter's hubby got a >>>> new job in Wellington and we're both curious >>>>> where the monsters are going to hide now. 2nd grad >>>> daughter has not yet decided to join the >>>>> human race and seems like to be one of our families >>>> later developers. I very much doubt she's >>>>> mentally deficient, just does not happen in our >>>> family. Besides her beady little eyes are flat >>>>> out watching everything. Speaking personally I never >>>> had any invisible friends, did not need >>>>> the. I knew quite well how to play off one addled >>>> adult against another. >>>>> Since mythology was much into process >>>> thinking about actions but pre-alphabetic writing in >>>>> eidolon, images that included personification its >>>> quite possible Plato used the Greek language >>>>> in that way. Indian godly pantheons and Egypt have >>>> plenty examples of the kind. It's quite >>>>> possible to have very sophisticated thinking alongside >>>> crude portrayal. I don't know what Plato >>>>> thought. But I'm quite sure modern translations >>>> don't have a clue about all that. This last >>>>> sentence is an example of nominalisation as it >>>> ain't the translation but the translators that >>>>> make the mistake, but no great matter. Always think >>>> into the blank space below the fine print >>>>> on the bottom line. >>>>> Another time I'll talk about ARS memoriae, arts of >>>> Memory antiquity used. Remind me if I don't. >>>>> They're used to stuff untold masses of data >>>> between the ears, needed when you are a story >>>>> teller, poets, etc. Look up Dame Frances Yates on >>>> "the art of Memory, 1966 she opened up this >>>>> can of worms, and Giardano Bruno, Ramon Lully, John >>>> Dee and there's now more stuff on internet, >>>>> quite recent, getting pop, about time. It'll help >>>> you with Arica. I've got quite a list of >>>>> them. see >>>> http://www.synaptic.ch/infoliths/textes/arsmem.htm I >>>> happened across. >>>>> adrian >>>>> ornamentalmind wrote: >>>>>> adrian, perhaps you would be willing to share a >>>> short overview of your >>>>>> views re: Plato?- Hide quoted text - >>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. 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