Sure, as long as nobody mistakes me for a pulpit. If people are not prepared to
follow up for
themselves into enquiry, why say anything? I'm heavily into thinking for
oneself and not as a
well decorated crab, oops authority. If I'm wrong, who cares? And ditto if I'm
right. Like
survival after death. If I'm wrong I'll never know, and if right I'd not be a
fool. It gives a
long term view. It'd take 5 millenia or more to get even an elementary view of
all knowledge
at, say, 25 years a pop. How many different specialities are there? One of my
brothers
travelled around a lot and picked up one language after another. After a while
one's learning
gets faster as you get a more general picture. As last I know he got to 27
languages, across
Europe, and that after having failed at school.
I have not, of course, read the lot, and have no Greek either. The
elevation of the Greeks is
pure nonsense. It just happened that Greek manuscripts turned up early in
Europe. Since then,
as one French minister of Culture had it, our shelves are filled with data
about antiquity.
Next, one Akhenaton, has been indentified as Moses, Oedipus and Akhenaton, also
not very pop
with the Establishment. Thus Greek and Hebrew were satrap tribes of Egypt,
which makes
political sense like our 3rd world. Wealthy landowners held parties for their
friends, still
happens today to use learning and good taste as like jewellery for decoration.
I always wonder
who it was before Socrates who ran the academe? Anyhow then we get Socrates,
Plato and
Aristotle. It seems to me Socrates was a real smartass who had a good teacher,
so asked
questions. He got killed by the Athens Cityfathers, typical of bureaucrats and
politicians.
They cannot stand freedom of thought. Plato then, began like Socrates and even
uses him in his
dialectic articles, you don't get to read in a UNI course, do you. As he got
older and in fear
of his mortality and the City Fathers and his gorblimey reputation he went more
politically
correct. After that comes Aristotle a nitpicking, materialistic, ego bound
twit, stuck for
pumping up his ego after those two. As I see genius he was not very smart. A's
theory of drama
is crap, besides being likely notes by a student. Sacred drama is hunter's talk
for an
initiation show. Satire then equals skepdics now, yuck. I prefer having satyre,
at least it
uses humour, much like Mark Twain. It's eidolonic for Pan or natural experience.
That sort of puts together a context for events no varsity student is
allowed to develop, eh?
It puts us back into in principle examination of ideas. Plato is the one who
held that ideas
existed in some metaphysical realm. That's the stupidest, most parochial notion
ever. We still
use it when imagining that earth abstracted conditions prevail across the
universe. Typical of
people who have never been abroad and confuse what gives between their ears
with the world at
large. Very convenient for politicians into fooling us to let them control us.
In short,
there's no such thing as an unbiased observer. but those into control psychosis
would not tell
you that. Just like Obama inthe US right now. They made a bad mistake with Bush
who is one of
one of those god families or 13 bloodlines. Do you ever imagine the super
wealthy elite in
control of things would let a wild goat loose on the presidency? You must be
joking. I'm giving
you the context as I picked up a few sniffs here and there. After which pattern
elucidated
interpretation gets more obvious and easy, I won't say simpler.
Does that satify and upset you well emough, wicked GRIN! If not You'll have to
ask sharper
questions. I've got a high precision mind but language is a problem. I think
academia going for
one meaning per word is ultra stoopid. You can only get away with that talking
to young
students. Imagine taking somebody some 2500 years ago as a guide to moden
times. Have we not
learnt a few things since then? I've not included Q Physics but it is relevant.
Not that I
don't respect our antiquity for having a few good ideas, but Plato is not one
of them.
adrian
ornamentalmind wrote:
> adrian, perhaps you would be willing to share a short overview of your
> views re: Plato?
>
>
> On Sep 1, 6:49 am, adrf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Thank you, I most cases I've already read what he parrots. and I don't find
>> or feel I have to
>> put up with his Kafka-esque puerilities, much as I agree about free speech.
>> It's just like
>> rats. They have a right to exist, but not necessarily in my parlour. That
>> sort of exists from
>> the pro- and eukaryotes upwards to defend out the unwanted so one can exist
>> in one's own right.
>> It's what Crick and Watson found as Anti-biotics which now ruins our
>> lives. I already have
>> enough putting up with martinet bureaucrats. Harmless looking frogs have
>> poisonous skins which
>> then birds who eat them have to adjust their metabolism. I've spent most of
>> my life
>> metaphysically retreating into isolation because I most agree they have a
>> right to exist but
>> not in my parlour. That's how an ecology works. I have or had a USA friend
>> living in a forest.
>> It has a brown bear who stays off his verandah but is quite fierce that when
>> friend enter HIS
>> forest bear too is left to be himself.
>>
>> Many people feel we have to share, etc blahh, and be homogenised romantics,
>> that too I don't
>> have to put up with. Perhaps it is, and perhaps it is my past lives, but I
>> am into evolution in
>> a way Darwin got altogether wrong. So it is not in some future but right now
>> I would be happy
>> to compare notes about you and me. It's like going to a pub filled up with
>> all sorts but also
>> into small groups of like mind. I've just unsubscribed from another google
>> philosophy group
>> where because I don't believe, haha, in Plato's ideal ideas I am now being
>> moderated. It is
>> not quantum theory that's weird, Its people. And If I find people don't want
>> to discuss me and
>> my ideas, Ok, I'll retreat into solitude.
>>
>> There's a big problem going on right now I am interested in. In words of one
>> sentence what?
>>
>> adrian
>>
>>
>>
>> nominal9 wrote:
>>> Hello ADRF....
>>> I was a newcomer on this group myself, six months ago or so, and I got
>>> much worse treatment from Georges than you have , as yet.- Hide quoted text
>>> -
>> - Show quoted text -
> >
>
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