If you can figure that out by yourself, You can think and experience for yourself, which is what it is all about. Having your thinking done by others imports problems you never asked for, haha. You don't need a guide and you can help yourself. READ Genesis, you're dealing with an angry, punitive God. None of that for indian gods. Yes, if you need Physics approval, then it's yes. He does not personify it as a god, but a mind and sentience of which we all partake. Images are not the real thing.
"""We must assume behind this force [in the atom] the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter." Max Planck, accepting the Nobel Prize for Physics, 1918. According to this kind of talk we now live in an anywhere centred universe, called holographic. You just got waylaid and stopped in a pursuit and enquiry which goes deeper and takes effort and time. As of right now our freedom to choose for ourself is opening up. And Jeepers, once more I never used the pronoun "I" as Einseele falsely accused me of in the sense he ascribed to it. adrian amoram wrote: > Dear Adrian, > > You say well: <The problem is that in our well managed, HOhum, society > the so called point of view isolates us from one another, mainly by > language. Language names the world as isolate parts, we then make > an effort to stick back together….> > > I arrived to my conclusion not starting from the Faith, but just from > the Epistemology. I think that the only way that we have is our > intelligence, that must be employed to distinguish the true one from > the false one. > It is possible. > I can only say how I made it. > First of all I put the myself the question: > <How am I seeing the world?> > I answered: <In relative way. It is a dynamic matter> > So I studied the Laws of the Dynamic. > They were 3 : > The first was conservative one. > The second introduces the Force, and F=ma says how F/m = a. > The third say the most important thing: > <in every action this is invisible one. It can be perceived only by > what is equal and contrary>. > It was for me as the <enlightenment> of Siddarta Gautama !!! > I understood that all our real perception is only a reaction, that is > the equal and opposite action. > So I understood that all the truth that we see is <a lie>. > If I see the mountain to become bigger it is the <Mohammed’s miracle!> > because I’m going to it, because the mountain doesn’t move itself. > I understood that EVERY dynamic appearance was <a lie>… also the life, > that moves its presence in the time. The truth had to be the opposite > dynamic of the opposite of the matter: of the Soul. > This opposition had to be the opposite movement in the time, since we > perceive to move in the time. > Then I asked to me: > <Is it possible?> > The Physics answers that it is possible, since electrons and positrons > are moving in opposite directions of the space-time. > I understood that magnetism and antimatter are returning from the > future if electricity and matter are going towards it. > I understood that the idea of a time only advancing was the result of > the shape only of the electricity and of the matter. If we’d perceive > not electricity and matter but magnetism and antimatter, we’d perceive > a world going back, in destruction, in its fantastic <replay>. > In that moment I understood the reason of the Bible, about Adam and > Eve. > The apple to not meat was the acceptation of a world in apparent > destruction. > The Absolute was gradually taking away all the determination of the > world to carry everything in the <absolute condition>. To take away > the LIMIT and to give the ABSENCE of all limits was the most possible > good for the men… but Adam thought that if he didn’t take what was > escaping away he lost everything. > The problem is this. Every good, when it is consumed, it arrives to > its end. As material goods, as spiritual ones. If I am too much rich I > loose the sense of this good. But if I don’t eat <my apple>, this > apple remains in my will. So, if I go out of my life not having eat > it, this my WILL it is an IMPRINTING for ever, and I’ll for ever eat > all the apples of the world without any satiety. > The apple must, from <real>, become project of apples, and so all the > life. > And it is what happens if my real life comes back and, from real one, > become <ideal one>. > I had the idea of the Paradise after the death. > I had the convinction to have <destroyed> the death when I understood > that my Spirit had already gone beyond the point of my real death, > since he had gone back from the future to my present time. > I was half resurrected (in my Soul) and half in way to go to die again > (with my body of matter and electricity of my brain)… so I knew the > resurrection of a Jesus in myself and every man. > My Spirit, going back in the past time, is already going toward the > <beginning>… but now I cannot perceive! Now I can perceive only the > opposite action… till to the death. But after, when all my life (this > life) was end, on the base of its <lie> I’d finally see the <true > movement just now in action, but invisible one!>. > If Siddarta had his <enlightenment> of the <half way>… I also! It was > true one because we have to perceive 2 LIFES, one positively and the > second one negatively. The <half way> has the meaning that we have to > do the virtual mediation of the TWO INVERSE experiences… as Thesis and > Antithesis… the perfect system that Philosophy shows as the ideal way > to understand. WE ARE DOING IT! > Consequently, we are understanding THE TRUTH… and it’ll be the > Synthesis as the Paradise. > But not only Gautama had is real reason… also Jesus! > The TRUTH is carried by the Holy Spirit of the DIVINE TRUTH. > This DIVINE TRUTH, is that <transcendent one>, like the invisible > action. > This Truth is sowed to every Spirit, because WE HAVE IT. > We are the absolute essence that has assumed our own cross of the > limit. > And the CROSS of Jesus is a wonderful example of the cross assumed by > the ABSOLUTE in each of us. > Jesus was saying of a Father of all us, and GOD is really the > fundamental Father, like the writer of our story. > In the Jesus Faith this God’s Son should come again in the Glory of > the Father, to destroy the Death and to reveal the Last Judgment… > But I had done both! > I had destroyed the Death and revealed al the travel beyond the death > until to come back in… GOD, our Creator, when our return arrives at > the beginning of the Absolute condition. > In the meanwhile great signs I saw about my life. > If you see this part of my site http://www.yahx.eu/tutortest.html > you’ll see the <miracle> of my life, and you’ll see that I have done > the same life of Jesus, confirming all what the Catholic Church has > told in 2000 years. ALL ALL ALL, the signs are present and ONE is not > lacking! > What I had to do? > To believe in these signs or not? > In Physics I had done IMPOSSIBLE CONQUESTS. > They are so advanced that Physics, not being able to control more of > one step beyond the actual statement, judges that mine is <science > fiction>… > None Philosopher has done a shape of the PERFECTION, as mine, because > in my Idea God is perfect one in his creation. He made good and evil, > but not TO DO them both, but to vanish, and to destroy the real and > determination and carry them in the absolute condition. > Defined ALL THE POSSIBLE, God has put in action the return to the UNIT > of everything. He has assumed every <character> to give it life and > essence. But the aim is that every Soul of God must chose what a GOD > is necessary in every situation. The Justice cannot be not > differentiated. If I have had NOTHING by God, I have reason to not > believe in a God! And also this Judgement needs to allow that GOD is > the GENERAL SOLUTION of every human case, being the IDEAL SOLUTION of > every possible case. > It is like the music. If GOD is the music, God allow who don’t love it > and chose the silence. But without the silence the real music cannot > exist! It is impossible to go against God. Till who loves the silence > has his function and his aim. > In our world, the bad man… don’t exist. The bed <characters> exist, > but the Soul is of God, like in a theatre. A <bad character> can > detested but not the actor that must animate it. We must love who > tries to kill us, because his soul is of God and he is interpreting a > part already written by Another (God). > I can have this courage, because he cannot kill me if it is not > written in my destiny. > When the Bible tells of the People of God, obliged to do what the > Pharaoh will, I see that it is our actual condition of slaves of God. > But in the Bible this People goes towards his Promised Land… and again > it is true one! We are going towards our freedom, when we’ll be out of > the actual determination and in the absolute condition… of a God’s > heir. > In few word, dear friend, I have controlled all the truth… in my same > life. > But you have reason to say that the situation of Jesus and others are > almost equal. God speaks always in the same way. Also to me he speaks > in this way… but more advanced of Jesus the Son. > My intelligence carried me at the understanding of HIS FATHER. > For example, while Jesus forgives the sins… I destroy all them. With > the TRUTH. > It is that ONE ALONE is the Creator. We aren’t! Our <character> is > decided by God, and all the sins of us are part of the <story> written > only by God and regarding our own safety. > While every Son (Jesus too) in this our BOOK, is in a wrestling > regarding good and evil, and Jesus against Satan, this is under the > dominion of God, that uses the EVIL to have the GOOD, Satan to carry > to God. > I think that ALL THE FAITHS come from God. The absolute is in a real > relation with every human CULTURE, and every has had FOD as who had > given it. > Not only Jesus has had his group, but every group must have one only > GOD. > I have had as many signs in all my live to arrive to believe that this > FATHER of all the men and all the Faiths is MY GENERAL MANEGER. > For this simple reason: > I cannot be able to say all the TRUTH that I tell. It is a TRUTH > impossible to a man, to every men! It cannot be mine! I am not so > intelligent, so clever…I am full of limits. I am a SINNER! > But I am also full of desire to give my life for the good of the life > of everyone! And a lot of signs show to me that the next October 13th > God accepts my desire, and I’ll die full of all my desire to save the > world. > I know well that now I am only slave of my destiny and that > everything depends only on God. So, if God accept my desire he can do > it. > Once, always in the Bible, David and Goliath were one against the > other. I am just like the first: a poor man without power and Goliath > is the INTELLIGENCE of the world, the FORCE of the STRONG MEN. I > cannot do what I desire… but God is the MASTER. > So I hope in my God… the God Father of Jesus, Buddah, Mohammed… etc. > etc… and we’ll see what finally happens. > I pry you: let you read http://ww.yahx.eu/tutortest.html and > afterwards say to me if you, in my same situation, should think in a > different way or in my same! > > Goodbye > Romano > > > > On 7 Set, 14:00, adrf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Nicely put, thank you, >> The problem is that in our well managed, HOhum, society the so called point >> of view isolates us >> from one another, mainly by language. Language names the world as isolate >> parts, we then make >> an effort to stick back together. Contrariwise the aether or plasma, or >> whatever you'd care to >> call it, vritti in Sanscrit, is one coherent whole. It also happens to be >> the case that >> induction leads one, as Karl Popper points out, to proceed by error >> correction. Deduction, on >> the other hand, requires us to deduce from universals and Plato, in the >> "Meno" dialogue makes >> Socrates point out that you cannot prove or teach a universal, only tell >> somone they are >> missing the boat and have not finished thinking things through yet. >> >> All this as preface to suggesting one enquires into opposites or >> alternatives, paradoxes, >> quandaries and all that. IF then one enquires into what it can be given, >> Jesus never existed. >> Who or what then does it all? What you believe in is an image or idea of >> Jesus, even had >> there's been a real one he's dead. You're taught ABOUT Jesus. I've already >> posted one I >> researched long ago showing that the Jesus myth is based on a calendric >> myth. Also if you go >> into the life of the Buddha you'le find the family structure and even the >> names of his family >> are simmilar to those of Jesus. His Mother fi was called Miriam. There's >> even a wicked uncle >> like Judas for Jesus. The Egyptian myth of Isis and Osiris has a wicked >> uncle Seth, aka a >> devil. the West calls hinm Jehosaphat, the wandering jew. >> >> We can feasibly agree that us humans don't make things happen something >> about the universe >> does. "We must assume behind this force [in the atom] the existence of a >> conscious and >> intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter." -- Max Planck, >> accepting the Nobel >> Prize for Physics, 1918." That very mind in different cultures has different >> names and the >> attributes the world over are much the same. May I suggest a site called >> sacred texts, he >> collects stuff like that. Just do some reading. May take hours. In Indian >> Yoga they distinguish >> a bhakti from a yogin to a njana. The bhakti takes what goes and gives, >> accepting it all as >> Brahm's doing. The yogin uses rituals to get there and the njana does it >> intellectually by >> reason. In the West they make us believe what we're told. The thing, as you >> point out is to >> have faith. But instead of believing what we're told you can play around >> with holding a belief >> and then changing it. It is not until you have faith in your own power that >> it works. In Tibet >> they have Geshe and Lamas, a Geshe spouts the scriptures and a Lama does >> miraculous things. >> >> Romano should read about the Mayan Calendar to find out they already used a >> calculus of cycles. >> THE physical end of the world has been announced an untold number of times. >> It never happens. >> It's about the end of a world belief. >> I have a passion, even an obsession, with learning which makes me endlessly >> curious. It is >> attended by being uncertain, not believing what I'm told, and more stuff >> like that. I don't >> care what I learn, anything goes. Out of that mishmash of curiosities MY >> mind makes up coherent >> patterns without any effort by me. And what I don't like you doing is to >> stereotype me as an >> unbeliever when I am a non-believer. I USE beliefs to figure things out. I >> don't swap opinions, >> YOU DO. So I am a bit like Socrates here, trying to show people that being >> curious is far more >> fun. I cannot MAKE you do that, teachers and preachers try that. THey do >> that to innocent and >> naive kids who lack any idea about what else is on offer. I can only make >> suggestions. Funnily >> enough my son once wanted to join a Xian sunday school. After three months >> he came back and >> told me 'They're all hypocrites". Yep, I worked in a hospital once and the >> nutcase ward >> contained mostly ministers who'd seen the light, as they say, and done >> themselves out of a job. >> Oh well, one lives and learns. >> >> """Enlightenment " and "Nirvana"? They are dead trees to fasten a donkey to. >> The scriptures? >> They are bits of paper to wipe mud from your face. The four merits and ten >> steps? They are >> ghosts in their graves. What can these things have to do with you becoming >> free? --Te-shan >> >> adrian >> >> >> >> amoram wrote: >>> Dear Adrian, when everyone does his reserch, the Faith moves his >>> convinction. So there is who is considered a real student of the true >>> events, and there is who is judged a day-dreamer, a visionary. >>> I am sure that the apostles, all dead men in order to give evidence to >>> the Jesus truth, are worthy of the biggest esteem. >>> So I and you cannot discuss, because our men worthy of the biggest >>> esteem are different and in contradiction. >>> Here we do Epistemology, and, through the Philosophy of the science, >>> each of us make his supposition, with coerency on some fundament, in a >>> knowledge that - as you show - is based on different knowledges. >>> I have not the idea to modify your fundament, and you, starting from >>> it, make your conclusions, and you do well, doing it in coherency... >>> In the same way I do mine, and are contrary and opposite to your and I >>> also am in coherency... >>> I thing that fortunately it is coming the time to know the truth of >>> Donad Duck Romano Amodeo... or his visionary context. >>> We must expect only till the October 13th... so only 36 days. >>> I and you will see what really happens... without the necessity of >>> students or who gives evidence. >>> I am sure of the Jesus EXISTENCE because I have him in myself, and >>> only I can know this. >>> But I am alsu sure that HIS REAL PRESENCE in me hasn't happened only >>> for me, but also for you and everyone hasn't Faith in HIS existence. >>> So you'll have soon a PROOF of what I'm saying: I'll be killed and in >>> me again Jesus will be killed, with his Father and his Holy Spirit. >>> So the ARBITER of our impossible discussion - so based on different >>> Faiths - will be THE REALITY. >>> It is useless to discuss. I have Faith and confide in my Faith. You >>> haven't it and dfo differently. >>> But the EVENTS will confirm my Faith... or not, and this will be the >>> ARBITER between us. >>> I'm in the most coherency with my Faith and I haven't fear to be >>> contradict by it. >>> So we'll se who has reason and who hasn't. >>> Certainly for you I'm a visionary Donald Duck. I know it and it is not >>> necessary that you or other tell it again. >>> I have the courage of my faith, and we'll see if it is only an >>> illusion! >>> Goodby from me... a Donald Duck... but in the powerful hands of my >>> God, who certainly will help me to win this real challange made with >>> you. >>> Romano Amodeo. >>> On 5 Set, 22:40, adrf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> Romano, that's Donald Duck talk. >>>> Some recent research into this Jesus myth esablishes that >>>> 1: The Jesus tale resembles a typical saviour myth with motifs also found >>>> in other and much >>>> older myths. So even given a Jesus existed the bible asscribed fictional, >>>> borrowed motifs to a >>>> person. >>>> 2: The availability of new material shows, in the opinion of experts that >>>> Jesus never existed. >>>> The actual biblical material was written quite a while, some estimates go >>>> to 200 AD, after the >>>> birth of Jesus. >>>> 3: I suggest you do some research into "saviour myths".559,000 sites, >>>> happy reading. The same >>>> motif is found by Anthropology as cargo cults, where a saviour will come >>>> with all required >>>> goodies as also take us away to a safe place. In Ufology this occurs as >>>> aliens arriving before >>>> earth global disasters come along and take us to another planet. It does >>>> not matter how >>>> advanced those aliens may be, but the sheer mechanics of moving around six >>>> billion people would >>>> defeat the best organiser. Just calculate for one instance the volume and >>>> weight of a human >>>> body, multply that by 6 billion and then figure what size cargo ships it >>>> takes. You cannot pack >>>> humans like sardines either. Six billion cubic feet. Otherwise take note >>>> of how many people you >>>> can pack in a passenger ship, so + food, waste disposal, crew, etc >>>> NBLikely. It's roughly a >>>> 1000 people on a standard ocean liner, which makes 6 million of them, give >>>> or take a crunchie. >>>> Otherwise imagine talking humans into moving and moving them into ships. >>>> Then how will they >>>> survive on a raw, new planet? >>>> 4: Apart from all that the odds on GOD coming to save us are very, very >>>> slim. He'it is not the >>>> interventionist type. >>>> 5: Apart from all that monism was invented by Abram, who thereby renamed >>>> himself Abraham. His >>>> Father was an idol peddler, political jargon for polytheist. And apart >>>> from all that in other >>>> research Akhanaton has been identified as Moses, Oedipus and Akhenaton. >>>> His Father picking up >>>> on this hebraic strand infiltering Egyptian pharaonic thinking. Even a >>>> painting showing this >>>> triple identity has been found. It is only monism that acquired Theology. >>>> Polytheistic >>>> religions are not so silly. >>>> 6: Whenever I get told "to Listen" I know dogma in action. >>>> 7: On top of all that the dying'reborn god motif is a calendric story with >>>> four marker >>>> festivals at the equinoxes and solstices, which has two gods,twins, one >>>> for summer another for >>>> winter as a cyclic pattern of growth and decay. Xmas is the reborn god.. >>>> Having now reached the magical number 7 for completion I'll stop. >>>> adrian >>>> amoram wrote: >>>>> Very well, my friends! >>>>> And now listen. >>>>> The Birth of Jesus Christ is thought to be a mistake because Saint >>>>> Mattew told of Jesus in Egypt and of events that were before the year >>>>> 0 in which the Church put his birth. >>>>> But you have to consider this thing. >>>>> We have TWO different descriptions of the first years of the Jesus >>>>> life. >>>>> In fact Saint Lucas does not tell of the travel in Egypt, but of Jesus >>>>> that, after 8 days, goes in his Templec and receives >> ... >> >> leggi tutto- Nascondi testo citato >> >> - Mostra testo citato - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. 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