Howdy, Archytas.... "American lack of said " (irony?).... Maybe so, I've tried to explain it to "Americans".... and others, too..... "Irony" stems from a deception or a "lie" through concealment (or subterfuge) as distinguished from "Satire" which stems from a deception or a "lie" through fraud (or hyperbole in the exaggeration or diminution of worth or value).... Maybe "Europeans" fail to appreciate Satire?.....I'll have to think about it..... These gross "national" generalizations don't add much to anything.... but they do tend to "rile" or spur discussion, don't they? nominal9
On Oct 17, 10:28 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > I take your point on ME Nom. Laziness in some respect. Strange that > you noticed the irony concerning Godot, given the American lack of > said. > > On 17 Oct, 18:13, "Serenity Smiles" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > P.S . The evidence is good enough for the newly crowned Nobel Prize winner > > for Peace after his presumed audience with the Dalai Lama to call for my > > Geshe to attend a meeting of the Worlds' Religious Leaders next week. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "nominal9" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 5:11 PM > > To: "Epistemology" <[email protected]> > > Subject: [epistemology 10869] Re: Silence > > > > Sounds like a rip-off on "Waiting for Godot"... > > > Read it years ago....You're still in that Mind's Eye Group... > > > Archytas?.... Ah well, some over here in the U.S have always said that > > > the "Chamberlain" sorts in Europe don't hold to "principle".... just > > > appeasers.... > > > nominal9 > > > > On Oct 17, 9:42 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Strangely I had just posted this in Miknd's Eye (the 'k' is silent). > > > >> My new play, 'Waiting For the Google Fix' is complete and waiting for > > >> a West End début. A hectic tale of drugs and disappointment, the > > >> whole 4 hours is spent in observation of the silence between two old > > >> codgers on depressant medication waiting for their old mate Google to > > >> turn up and help them turn their laptops on ... > > >> Neil - Old Codger 1 > > >> Orn - The Elder Old Codger > > >> Missing mate - Jacques Derrida's Corpse > > >> The audience will be 'held captive' and come to believe the whole > > >> thing a great gas. > > >> Gas Provider - Jenkins' Pharmaceuticals > > >> Health and Safety - Burke and Hare > > >> Stunts - The Zimmers > > >> Reviews: > > >> 'A classic of the postmodern genre. Archytas' wit is constantly > > >> deferred. On waking the headache and stomach pain can only be > > >> explained as post-traumatic belly-laughter'. (Artyfloss McClaque - > > >> Daily Herald) > > >> 'Missing this will be like having all your teeth drawn - which is > > >> what > > >> will happen if you do'. Mafia Express. > > > >> We refer, in language, to 'the silent treatment'. > > > >> On 13 Oct, 23:56, einseele <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > Hi Orn, > > >> > Silence is the most important component of language > > >> > And silence from chazwin as he sent, is also significant > > > >> > But I'm afraid there is misunderstanding about what silence is in > > >> > language > > >> > All in language is about separation, its elemnts are of pure > > >> > difference, the only attribute of lets say letter A is its difference > > >> > with letter B and with all the rest, > > > >> > There is silence "in between". It is that component which permits you > > >> > to know the specific sequence, where a word begins, and where ends > > >> > When you face an unknown language that silence is the challenge, you > > >> > learn a new language when you get the difference between words, tones, > > >> > expressions, context etc. > > >> > That difference is made of silence. Otherwise you perceive the unknow > > >> > as a noise. > > > >> > On 13 out, 13:30, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > I don't know... einseele.... > > >> > > Your arguement doesn't seem to hold all that much "water" for > > >> > > me....Silence, when it comes to language, would appear to me to be > > >> > > the > > >> > > absence of any signification whatsoever... Whereas I concede "code" > > >> > > is > > >> > > significant because it relies on "spacing" or an some sort of On/Off > > >> > > relationship... each of which is established to be significant in and > > >> > > of itself.... but language... without any language?.... I don't quite > > >> > > see it... the Metaphor or Analogy doesn't hold, I don't think. > > >> > > nominal9 > > > >> > > On Oct 2, 9:07 am, einseele <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > This group is lately almost silent > > >> > > > My subject is linguistics, so I will take advantage of this silence > > >> > > > to > > >> > > > point the obvious, which is usually not so clear. > > > >> > > > When talking, in any language, there is always a silent portion/ > > >> > > > segment, words, letters, sentences, need that silence to identify > > >> > > > itselves. > > > >> > > > Also when we write. Silence when we write is represented by "empty" > > >> > > > space. > > > >> > > > There is empty space in all cases, or silence. Being perhaps the > > >> > > > most > > >> > > > important component of language. > > > >> > > > Even if I write: > > > >> > > > thisgroupislatelyalmostsilentmysubjectislinguisticssoiwilltakeadvantageofth > > >> > > > issilencetopointtheobviouswhichisusuallynotsoclear > > > >> > > > Even so, to convey any meaning the reader will add "missing" > > >> > > > "empty" > > >> > > > space to the above, which is the first sentence of this post. > > > >> > > > Silence, empty space, or whatever instance this represents, conveys > > >> > > > meaning. It is not null, but empty. This means that in language, > > >> > > > emptiness is treated the same way as any positive sign. > > > >> > > > As in computer science as well, where the sign "0" represents the > > >> > > > absence of a material dot. > > >> > > > Binary systems need 2 values and curiously, the first is "0" > > > >> > > > That absence has no lesser status that any other sign, and more > > >> > > > than > > >> > > > that is needed as part of the system. > > > >> > > > If this is valid to language, and there are a lot of languages > > >> > > > (also > > >> > > > not human), why should be any different in Physics, or Nature, or > > >> > > > Chemistry, whatever. > > > >> > > > It is hard to see out there knowledge approaches talking about > > >> > > > emptiness in this sense, there are examples of course. Poetry for > > >> > > > instance, and many other. > > > >> > > > rgds- Ocultar texto das mensagens anteriores - > > > >> > > - Mostrar texto das mensagens anteriores -- Hide quoted text - > > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
