One should not judge until one has seen the true validated evidence -------------------------------------------------- From: "nominal9" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 5:11 PM To: "Epistemology" <[email protected]> Subject: [epistemology 10869] Re: Silence
> > Sounds like a rip-off on "Waiting for Godot"... > Read it years ago....You're still in that Mind's Eye Group... > Archytas?.... Ah well, some over here in the U.S have always said that > the "Chamberlain" sorts in Europe don't hold to "principle".... just > appeasers.... > nominal9 > > On Oct 17, 9:42 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> Strangely I had just posted this in Miknd's Eye (the 'k' is silent). >> >> My new play, 'Waiting For the Google Fix' is complete and waiting for >> a West End début. A hectic tale of drugs and disappointment, the >> whole 4 hours is spent in observation of the silence between two old >> codgers on depressant medication waiting for their old mate Google to >> turn up and help them turn their laptops on ... >> Neil - Old Codger 1 >> Orn - The Elder Old Codger >> Missing mate - Jacques Derrida's Corpse >> The audience will be 'held captive' and come to believe the whole >> thing a great gas. >> Gas Provider - Jenkins' Pharmaceuticals >> Health and Safety - Burke and Hare >> Stunts - The Zimmers >> Reviews: >> 'A classic of the postmodern genre. Archytas' wit is constantly >> deferred. On waking the headache and stomach pain can only be >> explained as post-traumatic belly-laughter'. (Artyfloss McClaque - >> Daily Herald) >> 'Missing this will be like having all your teeth drawn - which is >> what >> will happen if you do'. Mafia Express. >> >> We refer, in language, to 'the silent treatment'. >> >> On 13 Oct, 23:56, einseele <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Hi Orn, >> > Silence is the most important component of language >> > And silence from chazwin as he sent, is also significant >> >> > But I'm afraid there is misunderstanding about what silence is in >> > language >> > All in language is about separation, its elemnts are of pure >> > difference, the only attribute of lets say letter A is its difference >> > with letter B and with all the rest, >> >> > There is silence "in between". It is that component which permits you >> > to know the specific sequence, where a word begins, and where ends >> > When you face an unknown language that silence is the challenge, you >> > learn a new language when you get the difference between words, tones, >> > expressions, context etc. >> > That difference is made of silence. Otherwise you perceive the unknow >> > as a noise. >> >> > On 13 out, 13:30, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > I don't know... einseele.... >> > > Your arguement doesn't seem to hold all that much "water" for >> > > me....Silence, when it comes to language, would appear to me to be >> > > the >> > > absence of any signification whatsoever... Whereas I concede "code" >> > > is >> > > significant because it relies on "spacing" or an some sort of On/Off >> > > relationship... each of which is established to be significant in and >> > > of itself.... but language... without any language?.... I don't quite >> > > see it... the Metaphor or Analogy doesn't hold, I don't think. >> > > nominal9 >> >> > > On Oct 2, 9:07 am, einseele <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > This group is lately almost silent >> > > > My subject is linguistics, so I will take advantage of this silence >> > > > to >> > > > point the obvious, which is usually not so clear. >> >> > > > When talking, in any language, there is always a silent portion/ >> > > > segment, words, letters, sentences, need that silence to identify >> > > > itselves. >> >> > > > Also when we write. Silence when we write is represented by "empty" >> > > > space. >> >> > > > There is empty space in all cases, or silence. Being perhaps the >> > > > most >> > > > important component of language. >> >> > > > Even if I write: >> >> > > > thisgroupislatelyalmostsilentmysubjectislinguisticssoiwilltakeadvantageofth >> > > > >> > > > issilencetopointtheobviouswhichisusuallynotsoclear >> >> > > > Even so, to convey any meaning the reader will add "missing" >> > > > "empty" >> > > > space to the above, which is the first sentence of this post. >> >> > > > Silence, empty space, or whatever instance this represents, conveys >> > > > meaning. It is not null, but empty. This means that in language, >> > > > emptiness is treated the same way as any positive sign. >> >> > > > As in computer science as well, where the sign "0" represents the >> > > > absence of a material dot. >> > > > Binary systems need 2 values and curiously, the first is "0" >> >> > > > That absence has no lesser status that any other sign, and more >> > > > than >> > > > that is needed as part of the system. >> >> > > > If this is valid to language, and there are a lot of languages >> > > > (also >> > > > not human), why should be any different in Physics, or Nature, or >> > > > Chemistry, whatever. >> >> > > > It is hard to see out there knowledge approaches talking about >> > > > emptiness in this sense, there are examples of course. Poetry for >> > > > instance, and many other. >> >> > > > rgds- Ocultar texto das mensagens anteriores - >> >> > > - Mostrar texto das mensagens anteriores -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
