Hello Serenity Smiles.... Nice to meet you. Archytas and I go back a ways.... my comment to him was "half" in jest.... although I am somewhat disappointed in him, as well as in Ornamentalmind.... for reasons of censorship and their participation or "collaboration" with Neo-Nazi and/or Neo Fascist Kapos in the Free Speech prison camp... but that's the backgound that you lack on this communication between Archytas and I. However, I have to say that there does appear to be a more (some would call it "wordly" or "cosmopolitan " ) willing attitude in Europeans, in general, to accomodate or at least fail to confront people of less that stellar character.... sort of like Neville Chamberlain in the last century.... Of course, the same can be said of many throughout the world.... and I definitely take your point regarding U.S. President Barack Obama in his treatment of the Dalai Lama.... I agree with you.... I have "dubbed" President Obama as a "OreO" on this and other boards from the very first... before he was elected... and I have also added to my derision of him (and many of his policies and his reneging on campaign promises) by further calling him Silly Vanilli. An OreO is a "cookie" that is made up of two black wafers sndwiching a layer of vanilla frosting.... the metaphor or simile of derision resides in the comparison that, like the OreO, Obama may well be "black" on the outside... but his internal character (soul or heart) is actually "white. As for the Silliy Vanilli.... this is a reference ot the singing group of some years ago (from Europe) named Milli Vanilli.... who actually could not sing but only lip-synced the songs actually recorded for them by others... they did "look good" in performance, though.... and danced quite well.... like them, I suggest that Obama is a "Silly Vanilli" ... says the right words, (written by others, his handlers) but doesn't deliver on too much.... nominal9
On Oct 17, 12:20 pm, "Serenity Smiles" <[email protected]> wrote: > One should not judge until one has seen the true validated evidence > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "nominal9" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 5:11 PM > To: "Epistemology" <[email protected]> > Subject: [epistemology 10869] Re: Silence > > > > > > > Sounds like a rip-off on "Waiting for Godot"... > > Read it years ago....You're still in that Mind's Eye Group... > > Archytas?.... Ah well, some over here in the U.S have always said that > > the "Chamberlain" sorts in Europe don't hold to "principle".... just > > appeasers.... > > nominal9 > > > On Oct 17, 9:42 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Strangely I had just posted this in Miknd's Eye (the 'k' is silent). > > >> My new play, 'Waiting For the Google Fix' is complete and waiting for > >> a West End début. A hectic tale of drugs and disappointment, the > >> whole 4 hours is spent in observation of the silence between two old > >> codgers on depressant medication waiting for their old mate Google to > >> turn up and help them turn their laptops on ... > >> Neil - Old Codger 1 > >> Orn - The Elder Old Codger > >> Missing mate - Jacques Derrida's Corpse > >> The audience will be 'held captive' and come to believe the whole > >> thing a great gas. > >> Gas Provider - Jenkins' Pharmaceuticals > >> Health and Safety - Burke and Hare > >> Stunts - The Zimmers > >> Reviews: > >> 'A classic of the postmodern genre. Archytas' wit is constantly > >> deferred. On waking the headache and stomach pain can only be > >> explained as post-traumatic belly-laughter'. (Artyfloss McClaque - > >> Daily Herald) > >> 'Missing this will be like having all your teeth drawn - which is > >> what > >> will happen if you do'. Mafia Express. > > >> We refer, in language, to 'the silent treatment'. > > >> On 13 Oct, 23:56, einseele <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Hi Orn, > >> > Silence is the most important component of language > >> > And silence from chazwin as he sent, is also significant > > >> > But I'm afraid there is misunderstanding about what silence is in > >> > language > >> > All in language is about separation, its elemnts are of pure > >> > difference, the only attribute of lets say letter A is its difference > >> > with letter B and with all the rest, > > >> > There is silence "in between". It is that component which permits you > >> > to know the specific sequence, where a word begins, and where ends > >> > When you face an unknown language that silence is the challenge, you > >> > learn a new language when you get the difference between words, tones, > >> > expressions, context etc. > >> > That difference is made of silence. Otherwise you perceive the unknow > >> > as a noise. > > >> > On 13 out, 13:30, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > I don't know... einseele.... > >> > > Your arguement doesn't seem to hold all that much "water" for > >> > > me....Silence, when it comes to language, would appear to me to be > >> > > the > >> > > absence of any signification whatsoever... Whereas I concede "code" > >> > > is > >> > > significant because it relies on "spacing" or an some sort of On/Off > >> > > relationship... each of which is established to be significant in and > >> > > of itself.... but language... without any language?.... I don't quite > >> > > see it... the Metaphor or Analogy doesn't hold, I don't think. > >> > > nominal9 > > >> > > On Oct 2, 9:07 am, einseele <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > This group is lately almost silent > >> > > > My subject is linguistics, so I will take advantage of this silence > >> > > > to > >> > > > point the obvious, which is usually not so clear. > > >> > > > When talking, in any language, there is always a silent portion/ > >> > > > segment, words, letters, sentences, need that silence to identify > >> > > > itselves. > > >> > > > Also when we write. Silence when we write is represented by "empty" > >> > > > space. > > >> > > > There is empty space in all cases, or silence. Being perhaps the > >> > > > most > >> > > > important component of language. > > >> > > > Even if I write: > > >> > > > thisgroupislatelyalmostsilentmysubjectislinguisticssoiwilltakeadvantageofth > >> > > > issilencetopointtheobviouswhichisusuallynotsoclear > > >> > > > Even so, to convey any meaning the reader will add "missing" > >> > > > "empty" > >> > > > space to the above, which is the first sentence of this post. > > >> > > > Silence, empty space, or whatever instance this represents, conveys > >> > > > meaning. It is not null, but empty. This means that in language, > >> > > > emptiness is treated the same way as any positive sign. > > >> > > > As in computer science as well, where the sign "0" represents the > >> > > > absence of a material dot. > >> > > > Binary systems need 2 values and curiously, the first is "0" > > >> > > > That absence has no lesser status that any other sign, and more > >> > > > than > >> > > > that is needed as part of the system. > > >> > > > If this is valid to language, and there are a lot of languages > >> > > > (also > >> > > > not human), why should be any different in Physics, or Nature, or > >> > > > Chemistry, whatever. > > >> > > > It is hard to see out there knowledge approaches talking about > >> > > > emptiness in this sense, there are examples of course. Poetry for > >> > > > instance, and many other. > > >> > > > rgds- Ocultar texto das mensagens anteriores - > > >> > > - Mostrar texto das mensagens anteriores -- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
