> When it can not be communicated it is not information... What about a letter that never gets sent, or gets lost in the mail?
Cheers! Sam Carana On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:32 AM, awori achoka <[email protected]> wrote: > When it can not be communicated it is not information...that is the essence > of vacuum. Hence information must be capable of intelligent abstraction. A > painting must communicate subjective meaning; sub-atomic forces hidden and > overt energy forms and dimensions which in turn influence > observable/unobservable phenomena....which give rise to meaning or what we > call 'discoveries'. > > On Dec 17, 2011 2:34 AM, "Craig Weinberg" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Dec 16, 8:53 am, awori achoka <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Great. Information = consciousness = being. The only claim you have to >> > consciousness is being aware... >> >> That is the only claim that is required, which is why it is primitive. >> All other claims are a consequence of awareness. >> >> > awareness/sensory perception ...is >> > information. >> >> Not the way I understand those terms. Information is a generalization >> about perception which conceives it as a-signifying and independent of >> medium. If I count to ten, what am I counting? Nothing. It's just a >> cognitive rhythm and expectation with numerical names attached to >> them. >> >> Perception is an organic physical reality. It is the native subjective >> experience of feeling, seeing, thinking, etc. If I am a fish, I >> perceive fish information. Information implies an objective phenomenon >> independent of a perceiver, but there isn't any such thing. Perception >> is always a relation between the perceiver and the perceived. It's the >> context from which information (texts) arise. Texts by themselves >> cannot exist. >> >> > Inability to abstract information from physical >> > stimuli..invalidates its existence. So, information is a subjective >> > inpu/output of the conscious....with no claim to existence. A plant >> > absorbs and uses light energy, but does not visualize light. It has no >> > 'information' about the existence of light. >> >> Sense isn't beholden to information. It is possible to have a feeling >> that you cannot understand or identify, but the feeling still exists. >> Information however, depends on sense to have any meaning. >> >> A plant probably doesn't visualize light in the way that we do, but >> it senses light, maybe in a tactile way, similar to how we feel >> warmth. Plants bend to grow into the light. Flowers open and close >> with the light. They have complex and beautiful visual patterns, so >> that could mean something to them. If there were nothing on Earth but >> flowering plants, it would be odd for the planet to be overflowing >> with florid beauty that was utterly undetectable to anything in the >> universe. Doesn't that seem a bit unlikely? Humans and plants both >> have experiences of light, but probably very different ones. >> Illuminated matter informs them differently. >> >> Craig >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Epistemology" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Epistemology" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en.
