Great. Information = consciousness = being. The only claim you have to consciousness is being aware... awareness/sensory perception ...is information. Inability to abstract information from physical stimuli..invalidates its existence. So, information is a subjective inpu/output of the conscious....with no claim to existence. A plant absorbs and uses light energy, but does not visualize light. It has no 'information' about the existence of light. On Dec 16, 2011 12:54 PM, "Craig Weinberg" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Dec 16, 1:08 am, sadovnik socratus <[email protected]> wrote: > > 1. > > ‘ It is important to realize that in physics today, > > we have no knowledge of what energy is. > > We do not have a picture that energy comes in little > > blobs of a definite amount. ‘ > > ( Feynman. 1987) > > 2. > > Comment by Richard Norman > > It is quite true that "information" means many things but in this > > case > > it has a technical meaning that is quite specific. The "information > > content" of a physical system is a specification of its state. In > > quantum mechanics, this is the wave function. > > The problem is that, under quantum mechanics, the evolution of the > > wave function is a unitary operator that preserves the information, > > the specification. No two different states (wave functions) can > > converge to a singlefuture state and every state must have a distinct > > set of antecedents -- projected backwards (reverse time, if you will) > > they cannot converge. > > If information in this sense disappers, then these principles would > > be > > violated. This first really became crucial when considering what > > happens in a black hole -- the "black hole information paradox." > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole_information_paradox > > Using the simple mention of the word "information" as the trigger for > > a philosophical discussion of alternate notions of the word is a > > useful and interesting enough exercise. When "people" talk about > > information in physics, such a discussion might be necessary. When > > physicists talk about information in physics, they all know exactly > > what it is about -- no massive ambiguity traded there. > > On Dec 14, 7:33 am, Richard Norman > > ==. > > P.S. > > ‘ Where did the information go? > > The laws of physics dictate that information, like energy, > > cannot be destroyed, which means it must go somewhere.’ > > / Book ‘ The big questions’ by Michael Brooks. > > Page 195-196. / > > It's like asking, 'Where did the football game go?'. Information does > not exist. It insists. Quantum Mechanics works because of the > simplicity of the microcosm. The behaviors of atoms are extremely > literal and discrete. As matter becomes more complex and multiply > recapitulated (as chemistry, biology, zoology, neurology), the > possibilities of 'information' acquire qualitative degrees of freedom > - sensation, feeling, awareness, thought. Each perceptual frame > evolves a new fundamental unit - the molecule, the cell, the body, the > mind, which exists within it's own perceptual frame of reference with > it's own rules which cannot be reduced to simpler levels. > > Craig > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Epistemology" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en.
