Interesting, the 'letter' is only literally a letter when a conscious mind somewhere is able to abstract meaning out of the mutually understood lingual (alphabet etc) code it contains. Otherwise it's just a lost piece of paper. On Dec 17, 2011 10:46 PM, "Sam Carana" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > When it can not be communicated it is not information... > > What about a letter that never gets sent, or gets lost in the mail? > > Cheers! > Sam Carana > > > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:32 AM, awori achoka <[email protected]> > wrote: > > When it can not be communicated it is not information...that is the > essence > > of vacuum. Hence information must be capable of intelligent abstraction. > A > > painting must communicate subjective meaning; sub-atomic forces hidden > and > > overt energy forms and dimensions which in turn influence > > observable/unobservable phenomena....which give rise to meaning or what > we > > call 'discoveries'. > > > > On Dec 17, 2011 2:34 AM, "Craig Weinberg" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> On Dec 16, 8:53 am, awori achoka <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Great. Information = consciousness = being. The only claim you have > to > >> > consciousness is being aware... > >> > >> That is the only claim that is required, which is why it is primitive. > >> All other claims are a consequence of awareness. > >> > >> > awareness/sensory perception ...is > >> > information. > >> > >> Not the way I understand those terms. Information is a generalization > >> about perception which conceives it as a-signifying and independent of > >> medium. If I count to ten, what am I counting? Nothing. It's just a > >> cognitive rhythm and expectation with numerical names attached to > >> them. > >> > >> Perception is an organic physical reality. It is the native subjective > >> experience of feeling, seeing, thinking, etc. If I am a fish, I > >> perceive fish information. Information implies an objective phenomenon > >> independent of a perceiver, but there isn't any such thing. Perception > >> is always a relation between the perceiver and the perceived. It's the > >> context from which information (texts) arise. Texts by themselves > >> cannot exist. > >> > >> > Inability to abstract information from physical > >> > stimuli..invalidates its existence. So, information is a subjective > >> > inpu/output of the conscious....with no claim to existence. A plant > >> > absorbs and uses light energy, but does not visualize light. It has > no > >> > 'information' about the existence of light. > >> > >> Sense isn't beholden to information. It is possible to have a feeling > >> that you cannot understand or identify, but the feeling still exists. > >> Information however, depends on sense to have any meaning. > >> > >> A plant probably doesn't visualize light in the way that we do, but > >> it senses light, maybe in a tactile way, similar to how we feel > >> warmth. Plants bend to grow into the light. Flowers open and close > >> with the light. They have complex and beautiful visual patterns, so > >> that could mean something to them. If there were nothing on Earth but > >> flowering plants, it would be odd for the planet to be overflowing > >> with florid beauty that was utterly undetectable to anything in the > >> universe. Doesn't that seem a bit unlikely? Humans and plants both > >> have experiences of light, but probably very different ones. > >> Illuminated matter informs them differently. > >> > >> Craig > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "Epistemology" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> [email protected]. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. > >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Epistemology" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Epistemology" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en.
