On Dec 16, 8:53 am, awori achoka <[email protected]> wrote: > Great. Information = consciousness = being. The only claim you have to > consciousness is being aware...
That is the only claim that is required, which is why it is primitive. All other claims are a consequence of awareness. > awareness/sensory perception ...is > information. Not the way I understand those terms. Information is a generalization about perception which conceives it as a-signifying and independent of medium. If I count to ten, what am I counting? Nothing. It's just a cognitive rhythm and expectation with numerical names attached to them. Perception is an organic physical reality. It is the native subjective experience of feeling, seeing, thinking, etc. If I am a fish, I perceive fish information. Information implies an objective phenomenon independent of a perceiver, but there isn't any such thing. Perception is always a relation between the perceiver and the perceived. It's the context from which information (texts) arise. Texts by themselves cannot exist. > Inability to abstract information from physical > stimuli..invalidates its existence. So, information is a subjective > inpu/output of the conscious....with no claim to existence. A plant > absorbs and uses light energy, but does not visualize light. It has no > 'information' about the existence of light. Sense isn't beholden to information. It is possible to have a feeling that you cannot understand or identify, but the feeling still exists. Information however, depends on sense to have any meaning. A plant probably doesn't visualize light in the way that we do, but it senses light, maybe in a tactile way, similar to how we feel warmth. Plants bend to grow into the light. Flowers open and close with the light. They have complex and beautiful visual patterns, so that could mean something to them. If there were nothing on Earth but flowering plants, it would be odd for the planet to be overflowing with florid beauty that was utterly undetectable to anything in the universe. Doesn't that seem a bit unlikely? Humans and plants both have experiences of light, but probably very different ones. Illuminated matter informs them differently. Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en.
