Was it aileron flutter he saw (and heard) or loose fabric?

On 30/9/09 08:15, "Hartmut Beil" <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> Ralph.
>  
> I have the same doubts about the eye witness account.
>  
> It is almost impossible to see any detail of a plane that flies 1200 feet
> above you.
> Now, the plane might have been directly above the witness and maybe the sun
> was in an angle that mirrored.
> But the breakup occurred at 11:15 local time I think, ( If it would be Zulu
> time, the flight would have happened at 6 A.M in the morning), so at least the
> report.
> This is the worst time to see anything against the sky.
>  
> Anyhow. Maybe he could see the detail. If  both ailerons were to flutter, the
> whole control system was broken loose.
>  
> What I believe is that the upper spar cap broke at one side and the whole wing
> was fluttering. That made the other side of the spar also loose its wing
> support and we now had two wings fluttering. THAT you can observe from 1200 ft
> below.
>  
> I hope the NTSB will get the details out soon. So the talk "we don't do
> nothing, the controls were fluttering" will stop.
>  
>  
> Hartmut
>  
> 
> To: [email protected]
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:44:53 -0700
> Subject: RE: [ercoupe-tech] Re;FYI -Seibring crash Read & Ponder
> 
>   
> "From the second witness's position, he could see both ailerons - the hinged
> flaps on the control surfaces attached to the wing's trailing edge -
> fluttering at a high frequency."
>  
>  Hard to believe. Eyewitness accounts are known to be unreliable.
> 
> ³And they flutter that much that a witness from 1200ft below can see them
> moving.²
> 
> Even less reliable. 1200 feet away and he can see both fluttering?
> 
> Ralph Finch
> 
> 


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