No, you can't blame that on metal wings, they don't add that much weight. Something else is going on. Are you sure your airspeed instrument is correct? I have metals wings and my approach speed is 70 to 75. Well actually I don't have any wings at this time as I have it apart for restoration.
Kevin1 --- In [email protected], "Jerry Ward" <mag45to...@...> wrote: > > I guess I have to respond to this one.. I am one of those people that have > been landing "Hot". I have listened to many of you Couper's that claim you > land in the low 60's or at least below 70mph. Well, I have had my Coupe for > a little over two years now and it is a metal wing 1950 G' Model and I can > tell you from much experience that landing this plane below 75 would result > in major repairs. I usually touch down at around 78 to 85mph. The plane > starts to sink at about 1200 ft per min. if you let it get slower than 75mph. > And that is not what you want when you are 20 ft off the ground. I know all > of you guys with the fabric wings can land slow - but when you add the weight > of metal it is a different story. Jerry - leaving tomorrow for Kitty Hawk > from the Great Northwest. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bbart...@... > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:59 AM > Subject: Re: [ercoupe-tech] nose gear cable > > > > > Who's landing hot? Notice from time to time, some people screw up the > flare - initiate it just a tad late - and allow the nose gear to touch first. > The upward force of that premature nose gear touch rotates the airplane > around it's lateral axis and the mains touch with some flying speed and the > airplane becomes airborne. The pilot, in an attempt to correct the bounce, > instinctively applies forward pressure on the yoke forcing another nose wheel > touch and the sequence repeats except this time with a bigger bounce. > Subsequent control inputs become a half cycle out of phase the and bounce > becomes more exaggerated. That is a true JC maneuver (slang) or > "pilot-induced-oscillation" (PIO). You haven't lived until you've been in > one of those. I witnessed one in 1961 in a T-33 and we flew out of it. > The corrective action, by the way, is to go around immediately. If you > ride it out, you are either going to crash or at the least crunch the nose > gear and firewall. > Pants on the ground > Hat turned around > Bart > > In a message dated 8/18/2010 11:12:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ercog...@... writes: > > Just as the choice to smoke or not smoke is one each of us must make, > there are good choices and bad choices. I choose to presume people who > wear their caps backward (that aren't welders) don't know any better, > and I never vocalize that choice ;<) > > The presence or absence of a snubber is of little consequence to a > reasonably experienced Ercoupe pilot. A level static sill is MUCH more > important. I do believe it a disadvantage to pilots new to the Ercoupe > to have a snubber. > > Any pilot that repeatedly lands an Ercoupe "hot" either does not > understand or does not demonstrate the proficiency of control necessary > for predictable and safe operation(s). The remedy is not a ten buck > length of aircraft cable. It is sufficient qualified instruction to > thereafter predictably and repeated land an Ercoupe at or below 70 mph > TIAS in any weather condition likely to be encountered. > > Presuming proper rigging and a stabilized approach, touchdown at up to > 90 mph should be uneventful...a "wheel landing" on the main gear > followed (almost immediately) by the nose gear. > > WRB > > -- > > On Aug 18, 2010, at 18:47, bbart...@... wrote: > > > > > > > I've heard this over and over but if that little cable isn't on the > > nose gear and your landing speed is a little hot, you will hit the > > nose gear first, because the nose gear hangs down lower, and enter to > > what many is called a JC maneuver, as in "J-----s C------t!!!!!!!!!!! > > It is also called a PIO, or pilot induced oscillation and is the > > primary reason a lot of Ercoupes have a bent firewall. I say keep the > > cable and save the Ercoupe. > > Bart > > >
