Ric Johnson wrote: > I think the MAIN problem is not technical, but rather political:
Clearly. Hence the lack of substantive argument against the proposal and the recurring issue of the *name* of the language. > When I went to the Ajax Expereince, several people commented that > 1) There was a 'deal' between Adobe and Mozilla And Opera? Yes, I am maybe the fourth or fifth person to point this out, but perhaps if enough people say it, this can be the last time we have to deal with this point. There is no deal, no secret coalition. The ES4 work has been open, and has been the collaboration of more than two companies, frequently competitors. I think our motivations should be clear: to improve the web. We have do a fair amount of in-house ecmascript development, and ES4-as-proposed is simply a stronger, better language. As Jeff so aptly put it, "a rising tide lifts all boats". And any concerns about ES4 destabilizing the web are either disingenuous or simply ignorant: no one is more concerned about breaking the web than a minority browser vendor. :) The ES4 work has been both about increasing the programming-in-the-large tools to the programmer, as well as increasing implementation compatibility. We run the reference implementation against ES3 test suites to ensure backwards compatibility. When we say "it's backwards compatible", this isn't a guess or a hope. We can't bet Opera's future on guess or a hope. If you want to continue programming is ES3, and leveraging existing ES3 code, that will be fine. But for some ecmascript developers, it just isn't enough for the platform the web has become. > 2) There was not consensus on the new features, but they are being pushed > through anyway There has always been a clear majority. There was never unanimous agreement, nor is that necessary. When you are voted down 8-to-3, to say "there was no censensus" is to say "I will not accept that I did not get my way". In my opinion, such an attitude is disrespectful to the other members of the committee (personally) and to the standards process (professionally). I would be ashamed if I conducted myself in such a manner. Chris Pine Opera Software _______________________________________________ Es4-discuss mailing list [email protected] https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/es4-discuss
