Citát Jesse Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Some time ago I was asking on GNUstep list, whether it is possible to have > > running GNUstep from a portable media. I have received no answer so far. > > Anyway, it can be great if instead of having Etoile Live CD for the Etoile > > OS we can have Etoile Live package that can be put on a CD, USB key or > iPod > > and run from everywhere. > > This reminded me of a couple of things: > > Inferno as an IE plugin: > http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/plugin.html > > Puppy multi-session LiveCD: > http://www.goosee.com/puppy/multi-puppy.htm > > > And what it seems like you're suggesting is almost exactly what Squeak is: > an image that runs on a platform specific VM: > http://www.squeak.org/features/vm.html >
Yes! :-) I did not wanted to say it. But ... isn't Etoile in it's nature, from the point of view of an user, something like Squeak, but closer to reality of being used not only as academical toy? Do not take me wrong, it is taken very very very roughly. Squeak has almost-ideal object environment model, where Etoile provides only an illusion of such pure object environment. In this case I think, that the illusion is enough as far as you can get your work done and stay connected with reality (that is, with existing applications and tools). Squeak is very mature in its architecture, but I dare to say, that it is not mature in tools for productive work. Not yet. Etoile does not have such consistent and well developed object based core, but definitely has better chance to provide usable tools. Why? In Etoile we can easily reuse what is available until we have our own versions of tools. Also Etoile is meant to cooperate with the outside world. I know that I am trying to compare uncomparable, but from user's point of view you can see it as I have mentioned. As user, I am comparing an illusion to real object based environment. I would prefer the working illusion. I hope that I will not be misunderstood. > If we wanted to show a demo for people, we would just need to include all > the VMs compiled for whatever architecture and environment we planned on > showing. That would be ideal, but later. I think from the beginning few platforms should be supported. What platforms? Well, look at major cross-platform software providers (Acrobat Reader, Firefox (pure download, not packages in distributions), Java Runtime Environment, OpenOffice, ...) and see for what platforms they offer their software. Take the majority of them and support only those. There should be something about 3 or 4. That is manageable, if you consider that at least 2 of them are linux flavours. Anyway, I think that most of people will carry only windows + linux versions. Also an advantage of this "portable solution" is, that it puts almost no barrier on trying the Etoile, where full-featured OS is large barier. With portable solution someone can start by tinkering around in his free time without requiring to give up his work. Nice way for attracting people. Stefan Urbanek Before I start: Disclaimer: I respect and like Squeak, it is great environment. It is excellent place for evolving OO technologies and other OO environments should get inspiration from it. -- http://stefan.agentfarms.net First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi
