http://jesseross.com/clients/etoile/ui/project_based/01/

 Neat.

Thanks! :)

One detail I especially like is the automatic coloring of different workspaces. I'm not sure we should force the project-based workflow, though. If you think of it, all files and other items in a project eventually have a window associated with them (at the least, the containing folder window in GWorkspace). So, just doing this as a workspace manager that manages windows should suffice.

In some ways though that's just tacking a new method of interaction onto an old paradigm. I guess if you view it in terms of the system we already have, you get:

Folder => Project (with customized icon representing the spatial layout of contents and annotations, and when activated consumes the entire screen) Window => Document (in this system you don't "Open" a document -- they're always open, you just zoom in on them)
Icon => Miniaturized (zoomed out) view of document
File Names => Not necessary to define, unless you want that as an additional piece of metadata Aliases => Shared Documents (perhaps with lines drawn between originals and aliases -- this functionality should be toggle-able or viewable on a per-document basis)

Two additional points to remember:

- We don't want to have too many methods of interacting with the system just to appease the widest audience. That kind of situation, while it may make the most people happy, can make the system seem overly complex and not very unified. - We already have desktop environments that handle files like we're used to (with windows, and icons, and folders that all look the same, and files names, etc) -- why reinvent the wheel?

You could set up shortcuts for some of your workspaces, and there'd be one "shared" workspace which shows up no matter what regular workspace is frontmost (for things like the desktop, taskbar, and any other things you want).

This could work, but I don't know if we should make it be an actual workspace. Can you imagine the newbie user who has to understand that they're looking at two different workspaces/projects at the same time... the mental leaps they'd have to do remind me of trying to teach the concept of layers in Photoshop to people for the first time.

An Exposé-like feature would also make sense here, on a per-workspace basis, along with a simple "Window list"-style window that contains both open and closed windows associated with this workspace, allows to manage them and maybe even is extensible (so Project Center could just use a workspace to manage its files).

Assuming we never close a document -- that it always exists in the place where you first created it -- then a Window List for managing your files within a project is overkill. That makes users learn two methods of managing their files, and makes them have to make a mental leap to understand that the item in the list is a proxy for the item on their screen. For those of us used to desktops, it's not a huge leap because we use proxies (in the form of icons, which are really just stand-ins for our documents) and indirect manipulation all the time. For people afraid of computers, the fewer new concepts they have to understand the better.

Basically I'm just pushing direct manipulation wherever possible.

Every workspace is effectively a file somewhere. Users could duplicate workspaces (which will automatically duplicate all documents open in that workspace) to send them to other people, make aliases of them etc. It'd also be handy to have a document be a member of several workspaces, with different open windows, window positions and scrolls, etc.

Agreed. If you're moving a project to a foreign system (one not using Etoile), then it makes sense to treat it like a folder hierarchy. I would even say that annotations should get saved as individual files within the main project folder.

Note that utility applications (like a CD player that simply plays the CD currently in the drive and allows you to pause and skip) would be treated just like another document. So, you could have your TV-Tuner app set to CNN on the "Work" workspace and to "Fox Kids" on the locked workspace where your daughter can play Solitaire, Myst and write her homework in TextEdit... or whatever.

Great idea.

One problem would be to find a good name. Since the file manager is already called GWorkspace, we might just want to find another name. "Project" is also used by a similar-but-different concept in IDEs. So either we'd get ProjectCenter changed so it uses our Project metaphor, or we pick another name. "ProjectCenter" would definitely be a misleading name.

I know what can happen with naming discussions (I've been a trigger in far too many :) -- let's see if we can get a working model of this idea going then decide on the actual terminology. For now let's just stick with calling it a Project-based Desktop or something similar... we'll all know what we're referring to.


J.


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