I watched some of the games at WU24 in Perth and my impression was that the GAs provided helpful support in some of the more difficult situations. One of the games where the GA really helped IMO was between Germany and Italy open teams - where they had an incredible (but also very tense) sudden death point. The main benefit - again just IMO - the GA provided was by *indirectly* helping the teams to keep emotional responses to contested calls under control, and I think that helped the two teams to play a really fantastic and dramatic last point. Congratulations to both teams and the GAs in that match.
For the folks here that are strongly against the GA programme: did you watch some of those games in Perth? What did you think of the impact of GAs in those games? Mostly I saw no impact (which is the ideal that the GAs are hoping for). And in a few cases I saw a very positive impact. Si Si Hill, UK Ultimate si.h...@ukultimate.com Tel: 0844 8045949 Mob: 07802 311298 Skype: sihill22 On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Patrick van der Valk (BULA) < patrick.vanderv...@beachultimate.org> wrote: > Agreed. Part of Spirit is respectful communication. We clearly all care. > Please stay civil. > > > > Having said this, the essence of Mirko’s comment is correct. Some people > are not in Facebook and if the discussion started here, we not also > continue it here on the mailing list? > > > > I would be interested in getting some views from the EUF on the topic as > well as my initial question: what problem are you trying to solve in > Europe? This is clearly not North America and the EUF championships show, > IMHO, that GA’s are not (yet) needed in Europe. I think player education is > more effective, something that got completely lost in the US with the use > of Observers, as they are now the people that are maintaining Spirit (and > using budget money). > > > > Liam, I know it is tough dealing with multiple communication platforms, > but that is a sign of the times. I would be grateful if you (or others from > the WFDF) could also continue the conversation here. > > > > TIA > > > > Patrick > > > > *From:* EuroDisc [mailto:eurodisc-boun...@ira.uni-karlsruhe.de] *On > Behalf Of *Robert Jablko > *Sent:* Monday, February 26, 2018 10:38 AM > *To:* eurodisc@ira.uni-karlsruhe.de > *Subject:* Re: [ED] Tournament Partnership with Game Advisors > > > > It seems there are a lot of emotions concerning the advisor topic, and > that should be discussed, here or somewhere else, but I strongy feel that > neither Liam or anybody else in ultimate deserves any kind of hostility. > > > > Cheers, Robse > > ------------------------------------------ > > Former chair of Rules and SOTG comitee, Germany > > > > 2018-02-26 11:22 GMT+01:00 Mirko Macke <bat...@zedat.fu-berlin.de>: > > are you deaf? can't you read? The dsicussion needs to take place on the > email group. This one. > > I think I made this clear. > > I am not gonna join any discussion on FB. Why? I made this clar as well. > > Keep the spirit! > Mirko, YeaHaw! > > > > > > > Hi Mirko, > > > > My personal oppinion is actually an email list and a Facebook group are > > both terrible places for a discussion. But thats just my opinion. I'm not > > hosting or directing any type of discussion - I'm just happy and > > encouraging of one taking place and when I can I'll personally get > > involved > > with my experiences and POV. > > > > Where would you like a discussion to take place? > > > > Liam > > > > Just to make it really clear. I sent a message to several locations about > > looking for support from TOCs. That started a conversation that I am not > > coordinating :) people are free to discuss however, wherever they like. I > > also did not invent the GA system. I was not a part of the task force. > > There person who did, and was has opened a discussion on Facebook if > you'd > > like to join in. > > > > On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 10:04, Mirko Macke <bat...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> > > wrote: > > > >> hello, > >> > >> I couldn't care lees how nice a message is. People were invited and - > >> tbh > >> - asked to continue the discussion on the actual email group. > >> > >> FB is the LAST tool to discuss anything meaningless. > >> > >> But instead you went there. The place of meaninglesness. > >> > >> Greetings from Berlin, > >> > >> Mirko, YeaHaw! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hey Patrick, > >> > > >> > Ruben has offered to discuss things on the ED Facebook group. He wrote > >> a > >> > nice messages there :) > >> > > >> > I'm afraid that my time is extreamly limited at the moment due to work > >> and > >> > life commitments. Also Ruben knows more about the topic so he's a good > >> > person to speak for/to. > >> > > >> > I'll reply as often as I can. > >> > > >> > If anyone asks a question directly to me, I'll obviously answer it > >> (given > >> > time). > >> > > >> > Regards, liam > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 at 07:51, oliver browne <ojhbro...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi Patrick, > >> >> > >> >> The conversation seems to have moved to the > >> Ultimate-Players-in-Europe > >> >> FB > >> >> group, where the lead of the WFDF Rules committee, and the outgoing > >> SotG > >> >> chair have made themselves available for questions. > >> >> > >> >> Hope to see you & Sofia on the beach (Costa Brava perhaps?), or in > >> the > >> >> UPE > >> >> FB group :) > >> >> > >> >> Kind regards, > >> >> > >> >> Oliver > >> >> > >> > -- > >> > > >> > Sincerely, Liam Kelly > >> > > >> > Call me. +44 (0) 7595 618 129 <+44%207595%20618129> > >> > Tweet me. @WordsFromLiam > >> > ---------- > >> > Make Liverpool, > >> > 34 Regent Street, > >> > North Docks, > >> > Liverpool L3 7BN > >> > > >> > *What's relevant to you?* > >> > CEO - Make Liverpool (www.makeliverpool.com) > >> > Chair - Baltic Triangle, Liverpool (http://baltictriangle.co.uk/) > >> > Coach Educator for UK Ultimate and World Flying Disc Federation > >> > Game Advisor Committee for WFDF > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > EuroDisc mailing list > >> > eurod...@ira.uka.de > >> > http://lists.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de/mailman/listinfo/eurodisc > >> > >> > >> -- > > > > Sincerely, Liam Kelly > > > > Call me. +44 (0) 7595 618 129 <+44%207595%20618129> > > Tweet me. @WordsFromLiam > > ---------- > > Make Liverpool, > > 34 Regent Street, > > North Docks, > > Liverpool L3 7BN > > > > *What's relevant to you?* > > CEO - Make Liverpool (www.makeliverpool.com) > > Chair - Baltic Triangle, Liverpool (http://baltictriangle.co.uk/) > > Coach Educator for UK Ultimate and World Flying Disc Federation > > Game Advisor Committee for WFDF > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroDisc mailing list > eurod...@ira.uka.de > http://lists.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de/mailman/listinfo/eurodisc > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroDisc mailing list > eurod...@ira.uka.de > http://lists.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de/mailman/listinfo/eurodisc >
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