John understands why I point out which-witch-is-which (EV vs pih/phev vs
hev vs ice). And now we will need to also include fcv.
While there are regenerative fcs, they are not being installed in fcvs
(automakers are going the cheapest route). So fcvs use chemical-fuel to
put energy back into the vehicle: they are a fuel vehicle that has
electric components. fcvs are not EVs, they are fuel vehicles (sadly
while H2 could be made from renewable sources, H2 is reformed from
fossil-fuels, and no one is saying where the left-over gunk is going:
swept under the carpet? released into the air?). But I am getting way-OT
here. So, be careful in responding on the evdl.
EVangels have a lot of work to do to make up for all the mis-information
spewed by the media.
By us defining which is which, it does not make us purists, it lets us
help the public understand what-is-what.
Our society is so tuned to accept what the media puts out as fact.
[Sidebar
Its funny, there was a re-showing of Johnny Carson interviewing Michael
Caine, and late into the piece Michael admits that he purposely would
lead the press astray with mis-information (he said if they are going to
tell lies, why not me too). But he said it catches up to you. In one
media interview, the press person said, "How can you say you did not say
that, it is right here in the paper." Michael told the press person they
were the writer. The writer said, "Oh, I did, OK I made that up ..."
So, the media reads its own garbage as fact as well (EVangels have a
long-row to hoe).
]
With more and more terms coming into play, it is like a 31 flavors
scenario at the ice-cream parlor (everyone like likes ice-cream, so it
makes for a good analogy to use with the public). In the past I have
used chocolate-chip as an analogy for pih (could not be called an
ice/vanilla, nor an EV/chocolate, it is a blend of both, a hybrid). So,
what flavor should we use for fcvs? ice-milk, the skinny-cow of
ice-cream, touted as good but the whole picture is not shown (Funny how
pundits are eager to do a well-to-wheels on EVs but not fcvs, ... Why is
that? ).
In my chats with the public (which I will be doing at the up-n-coming
eaasv.org Silicon Valley EAA Rally in Sept.), once I have gently
(rudimentarily) explained that each type is different, several of the
public are amazed, and I get "no one told me that!?!" (which is why
EVangels make the effort ... we're chipping away at all the
misinformation, a little at a time).
I will end with another term: electrified vehicles. That is a vehicle
that has electric components, which can be an EV, pih/phev, hev, or
fakey mild-hybrid (Heck if you want to go that route, an ice has a motor
and a battery, one could call an ice and electrified vehicle too, ...
Where will it end?).
{brucedp.150m.com}
...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baskin-Robbins
31 flavors ice-cream
http://news.baskinrobbins.com/
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On Sun, Jul 21, 2013, at 07:16 AM, JOHN OCONNOR wrote:
> All I can say is that Rick makes a vey good argument for my position that
> plug-in hybrids are a 'class of their own' separate from and easily
> argued to be better than either EVs and ICEs.
>
> But they are hybrids not EVs. The fact they have an on-board ice
> inherently means charging infrastructure is less important (a selling
> feature for all the reasons you mention).
>
> Some of the plug in hybrids come closer to being and EV while some are
> closer to plug in marketing gimmicks (the Prius comes to mind).
>
> The point I was trying to get across is that if you are interested in
> tracking EV sales you should only count vehicles that don't have an ICE,
> and that Bruce's desire to use PIH as a category is appropriate and I
> would argue necessary.
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