> On Jun 25, 2014, at 7:36 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > Generally, Hydrogen for transportation (no infrastructure) makes little > sense compared to EV’s (everyone has an outlet in their garage). The > business model for hydrogen cars is very weak (though it is needed for > trucks and road warriors).
I'm not sure what you mean by "needed for trucks and road warriors", but those that actually have to put up the money would disagree about the strength of the business model for hydrogen cars. Or do you have some expertise in business that I'm not aware of? > > BUT! > > > > There is a future for hydrogen in utility scale applications for the > eventual Bazgigawatts of periodic solar and wind excess into electrolysis > of water to hydrogen. Think of it as energy storage (the holy grail of > renewables). Here, you are correct. > > > > But then creating a HUGE infrastructure from zero to distribute this > hydrogen source in tiny little buckets to burn everywhere in tiny amounts > in millions of cars makes no sense, when the utilities can far, far more > easily burn it right there at their plants to provide a continuum of > electricity at night and/or low wind. Again, where do you get "makes no sense"? > Another way to look at it is to have the utilities burn the excess hydrogen > to make electricity and use the grid to distribute that electricity to > EV’s. That is a far easier way to distribute “hydrogen stored energy” > since EV’s and the grid distribution already exist everywhere. Certainly this is a way to allow EV drivers to use renewable energy when not able to charge from solar generated power at home. > Of course, there will always be a market for SOME hydrogen fueled cars and > trucks that must do long trips or continuous road travel. No question. > But that is something like only 10% or our transportation energy… and easy > to implement along the interstates… > > > > P.S. There is another thing I just became aware of. Other countries > versus the US with respect to Energy Storage.. Not everything is equal. > Germany has a different perspective on storage (hydrogen) for many > reasons… they have no natural gas like we do. They cannot use natural > gas plants to make-up solar/wind shortages. Where we view “storage” as a > short-term (max 12 hour overnight) need, they view storage as a long-term > requirement and not just for backup electricity, but for weeks or months… Energy storage is about scale and storage time. In some uses, just like for vehicles, batteries make sense. > > > > http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2014/06/energy-storage-a-different-view-from-germany?cmpid=SolarNL-Tuesday-June24-2014 > > > > Just some thoughts. > > Bob, WB4aPR > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140625/c518d803/attachment.htm> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
