The difficulty in using Ammonia is, the ammonia used is "Anhydrous Ammonia 100% and that is deadly poison at only a few percent when breathed. Household ammonia is less than 5% concentration in water and not useable in the process. Forget It !! I don't want to certainly die by poisoning in a minor collision. Hasm protocol calls for an evacuation of 3 mile radius in the event of an Anhydrous ammonia spill...
*Dennis Lee Miles * *Director **E.V.T.I. Inc.* *E-Mail:* *[email protected]* <[email protected]> *Phone #* *(863) 944-9913* Dade City, Florida 33523 USA On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Geoff Pullinger via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > On 6/25/2014 9:36 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > >> Generally, Hydrogen for transportation (no infrastructure) makes little >> sense compared to EV's (everyone has an outlet in their garage). The >> business model for hydrogen cars is very weak (though it is needed for >> trucks and road warriors). >> >> >> >> BUT! >> >> >> >> There is a future for hydrogen in utility scale applications for the >> eventual Bazgigawatts of periodic solar and wind excess into electrolysis >> of water to hydrogen. Think of it as energy storage (the holy grail of >> renewables). >> >> >> >> But then creating a HUGE infrastructure from zero to distribute this >> hydrogen source in tiny little buckets to burn everywhere in tiny amounts >> in millions of cars makes no sense, when the utilities can far, far more >> easily burn it right there at their plants to provide a continuum of >> electricity at night and/or low wind. >> >> >> >> Another way to look at it is to have the utilities burn the excess >> hydrogen >> to make electricity and use the grid to distribute that electricity to >> EV's. That is a far easier way to distribute "hydrogen stored energy" >> since EV's and the grid distribution already exist everywhere. >> >> >> >> Of course, there will always be a market for SOME hydrogen fueled cars and >> trucks that must do long trips or continuous road travel. No question. >> But that is something like only 10% or our transportation energy... and easy >> to implement along the interstates... >> >> >> >> P.S. There is another thing I just became aware of. Other countries >> versus the US with respect to Energy Storage.. Not everything is equal. >> Germany has a different perspective on storage (hydrogen) for many >> reasons... they have no natural gas like we do. They cannot use natural >> gas plants to make-up solar/wind shortages. Where we view "storage" as a >> short-term (max 12 hour overnight) need, they view storage as a long-term >> requirement and not just for backup electricity, but for weeks or months... >> >> >> >> http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2014/06/energy- >> storage-a-different-view-from-germany?cmpid=SolarNL-Tuesday-June24-2014 >> >> >> >> Just some thoughts. >> >> Bob, WB4aPR >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/ >> attachments/20140625/c518d803/attachment.htm> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ >> group/NEDRA) >> >> I saw an article last week about a couple of scientists who thought > hydrogen could be transported much more easily as ammonia (NH3). They have > suposedly discovered a method to convert ammonia to hydrogen with out using > catalysts and with good efficiency. I can not find the article now but > sounded like a game changer - if true. > > Geoff Pullinger > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/ > attachments/20140625/84d1afe0/attachment.htm> > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ > group/NEDRA) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140625/5f017c20/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
