And it can be argued that the purchase subsidy is already recompense for the relief EVs bring to pollution controls and the like. Whether such things should be paid for with user fees or more progressive forms of taxation is a discussion for a whole different forum ;-)
- Cal Frye > Paul Dove via EV <mailto:[email protected]> > November 7, 2014 at 10:50 AM > Not really! The government must collect taxes to pay for roads. > Previously it was done by taxing fuel. You can tax electricity to pay > for roads because how would you know which part went into the vehicle. > So they have to devise another way > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > EVDL Administrator via EV <mailto:[email protected]> > November 7, 2014 at 10:36 AM > On 7 Nov 2014 at 2:07, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > >> Why the push to another way to pay? Gas use has declined steadily since 2005 >> as fuel-efficient and alternative energy cars have flourished. > > Right, so let's discourage that. Great. > > I see this sort of notion and have to conclude that the US has the world's > most (literally) backward governments. In most countries, they ENCOURAGE > use of EVs and high-MPG ICEVs. Here, we're discouraging them by making them > pay an extra tax. > > These state legislators seem to have forgotten that by taking better care of > the environment, EV drivers are SAVING them tax dollars. (As the old saw > says, no good deed goes unpunished.) > > I suppose one reason for the legal difference is that most (all?) European > nations have laws requiring them to reduce carbon emissions, though how > fully they're enforced I don't know. > > I'm preaching to the choir, I suppose. > >> Over the past four years California drivers have purchased more than >> 100,000 plug-in electrical vehicles. Bottom line: Carpool lanes will >> continue to jam up. > > From the standpoint of encouraging EV adoption, it appears to me that > carpool lane access for EVs has been a huge success in CA. The problem is > that it's a self-limiting perquisite. The more vehicles you let in, the > less desirable the carpool lanes are. > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my > email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > brucedp5 via EV <mailto:[email protected]> > November 7, 2014 at 5:07 AM > > Blaming EVs 4clogging hov/carpool lanes> toll$ will ri$e > > http://www.mercurynews.com/mr-roadshow/ci_26822022/roadshow-california-test-fees-number-miles-driven > Roadshow: California to test mileage-based fees > By Gary Richards 11/02/2014 > > [image > http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site568/2014/1101/20141101__teslaxc~1.JPG > John Glenney, 62, of Lexington, Ky., drove his Tesla Model S across the > United States using only the company's Supercharging stations. (Bay Area > News Group) > ] > > Q Will you please explain how the new law Gov. Jerry Brown just signed > that > will charge drivers in California for every mile a car drives will work? > When will this go into effect? > > Betty Weldon > > > A Don't panic, for nothing is going to happen overnight. A few weeks ago > Brown signed into law the first test of a proposal to charge drivers > by the > number of miles driven. The bill creates a panel to oversee a pilot > project > that could be in place by 2018. California now becomes the largest > state to > consider charging VMT fees (for vehicle miles traveled). > > Details have yet to be worked out, but Oregon will soon be testing a > VMT fee > beginning July 1. Details on that program: > > It applies only to vehicles that get 55 mpg (electric and select plug-in > hybrids) and are model 2015 or newer. > > Oregon drivers would pay 1.5 cents for every mile they travel in the > state. > > The 5,000 drivers are all volunteers. > > This will not replace Oregon's state gas tax, but will be another way to > collect road fees. > > Officials in other states are also looking at VMT fees and they'll all be > watching California, where 17 percent of the nation's car sales take > place. > > Why the push to another way to pay? Gas use has declined steadily > since 2005 > as fuel-efficient and alternative energy cars have flourished. A > decade ago, > Californians consumed nearly 16 billion gallons of gas annually. That > figure > dropped to 14.5 billion last year. And the state gas tax has not been > raised > in 21 years. > > > Q Why are only gas-type vehicles being taxed and not electric or hybrids? > All of us use the same roads, and it seems only right that all should > participate equally in their upkeep. Am I missing something here? > > Barbara Smith > Fremont > > > A You make a good point, and that is what a VMT fee would rectify. The > idea > is that since hybrids and electric cars pay less in taxes, a tax based on > the number of miles driven would make them pay their fair share. > > > Q How about doing a report on how electric vehicles are clogging up > carpool > lanes? Before, a carpool lane was used for two or more plus > motorcycles and > transit buses. But now it is also for electric vehicles with carpool > stickers, which defeats the purpose of a carpool lane because it has > almost > become a regular lane. Do electric vehicle owners need a lane specifically > for them? > > Alexis Pedroza > Patterson > > A They'll have it until 2019, when this perk will end, unless the > Legislature again extends it, as it has three times. As of Sept. 23, > the DMV > has issued the 55,000-maximum green decals allowed by law, and 15,000 more > will be available Jan. 1. Applications for green stickers will continue to > be accepted at this time, but new ones cannot be issued until after > Jan. 1. > And 57,914 white decals have been given out. There is no maximum for them. > > Over the past four years California drivers have purchased more than > 100,000 > plug-in electrical vehicles. Bottom line: Carpool lanes will continue > to jam > up. And when solo drivers can buy their way into more diamond lanes, tolls > will rise to keep traffic in those lanes moving. > [© mercurynews.com] > > > > > For EVLN posts use: > http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html#nabble+template%2FNamlServlet.jtp%3Fmacro%3Dsearch_page%26node%3D413529%26query%3Devln+-re%26sort%3Ddate > > http://www.citizen-times.com/story/opinion/2014/11/03/reasons-drive-electric/18386219/ > 5 reasons to drive electric > > http://www.theautofuture.com/2014/11/01/nissan-testing-v2h-technology-leaf-home-charging-units/ > Nissan Begins Testing V2H Technology with Leaf-to-Home Charging Units > > http://insideevs.com/usage-charging-stations-british-columbia-doubles-august-2013-august-2014/ > Public British Columbian EVSE Usage Doubles From Aug 2013 To Aug 2014 > + > EVLN: SR-Auto bling-tuning of BMW i3 EV > > > {brucedp.150m.com} > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-CA-testing-55-mpge-mi-based-VMT-road-tax-fees-aimed-plugins-tp4672420.html > Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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