Interesting. I wasn't aware that Li-ion batteries were not recycled. But I think that you *will* see that in the future... If they can make money at it.
Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 25, 2014, at 12:40 PM, Lee Hart <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: >> I agree with what you are saying (though the numbers *will* change as >> people have to pay at charging stations), but by investing in cost >> reductions, I meant the cost of the battery to produce. > > Batteries are much harder to cost reduce than the usual consumer gadgets we > are used to. > > The cost of the materials in most consumer products is negligible. The price > is dominated by advertising, labor, development, and profit. We're used to > things like cellphones where the cost of materials is insignificant compared > to these other costs. > > It's different with batteries. They need a *lot* of material to get the > energy storage. The more pounds, the greater the energy storage. The > materials they use also tend to be expensive (high cost per pound). > > The only hope I see for "cheap" batteries is if we develop an effective > recycling infrastructure, so most of the cost can be recovered, and the > material reused to make new batteries. > > Lead-acid batteries are cheap in part because they are so heavily recycled. > There are laws that *require* recycling them. This helps to keep the cost of > lead down. But there are no such laws for nimh or lithium. Given our > throw-away society, what do you think happens to the vast majority of them? > They get thrown out -- NOT recycled. And given our present political climate, > what do you think the chances are of any laws to require them to be recycled? > I'd say nil. :-( > > -- > The greatest pleasure in life is to create something that wasn't > there before. -- Roy Spence > -- > Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
