So the charge applies only to those feeding back into the grid? Sent from my iPhone
> On Dec 23, 2014, at 8:56 AM, Michael Ross <[email protected]> wrote: > > No, I would look just like anyone else with no power feeding back into the > grid. I can flip a switch right now and reach that state. They couldn't > make that fly. I would have to pay for a new meter and base or something. > >> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Mark Abramowitz <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> My guess is that the utility serves by address or parcel, in which case >> you're still considered being served by solar, and still need to pay those >> charges. You won't be able to "hide" it in a separate system. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 8:36 AM, Michael Ross <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I can imagine - if the utilities make grid connections to solar a bad idea, >>> ten I divide my house into two systems. On that is grid tied and running >>> for example, the refrigerator and lights. Take other things off grid - the >>> garage, well pump, water heater, future car charging, the mostly unused >>> propane furnace and AC.. Not sure the mix but, get the power from PV and >>> store it, but not so I have to worry about storing for really long dark >>> and rainy times. Then pay minimally for grid use. If I need to, I drag an >>> extension cord to the fridge from the solar side when the grid is out. No >>> safety problems back powering the grid like that. Or if I need to run the >>> well pump after a dark time, switch it over to grid. >>> >>> If it does make sense, look for someone marketing a clean way to do this >>> sort of thing. >>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I have to disagree. >>>> >>>> Ask him on a day where his panels are producing more than he can use what >>>> extra value he is getting from them. Then ask him on a day where he is not >>>> getting enough from the panels how much it would have been worth to have >>>> batteries. >>>> >>>> If you are taking yourself off grid, not only do the batteries (or other >>>> energy storage method) produce value, but may even be essential. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 6:48 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >> A 20-year T-bill right now is only paying about 2.5%... >>>> >> Even if it takes 20 years to pay off the battery system... >>>> > >>>> > Batteries are not a source of energy. They produce nothing. Solar >>>> > panels >>>> > do. Far better to spend X dollars available for more solar panels which >>>> > pay off themselves in about 3 years and use the nearly free storage in >>>> > the >>>> > grid. >>>> > >>>> > Self-storage (if you have access to the grid) consumes $2 out of every $3 >>>> > invested in Solar with zero benefit other than about 4 hours of backup >>>> > electricity a year (around here with a 99.96% reliable grid). That's >>>> > spending several thousands of dollars for about 60 cents worth of >>>> > electricity. >>>> > >>>> > If you don't have the grid, then sure, on-site storage is required. >>>> > >>>> > Oh, my zero-usage electric bill is an $8 fixed rate "meter" fee per >>>> > month, or $100 a year. That is renting a 10,000 kWh storage system (the >>>> > grid). Or about 100 kWh per dollar. Compare that with the 0.01 kWh per >>>> > dollar for batteries. >>>> > >>>> > A 10,000 times better deal if there ever was one. >>>> > >>>> > Bob, WB4APR >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>> > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>>> > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >>>> > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>>> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >>>> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain >>> happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? >>> Dalai Lama >>> >>> Tell me what it is you plan to do >>> With your one wild and precious life? >>> Mary Oliver, "The summer day." >>> >>> To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. >>> Thomas A. 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