No, I would look just like anyone else with no power feeding back into the grid. I can flip a switch right now and reach that state. They couldn't make that fly. I would have to pay for a new meter and base or something.
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Mark Abramowitz <[email protected]> wrote: > My guess is that the utility serves by address or parcel, in which case > you're still considered being served by solar, and still need to pay those > charges. You won't be able to "hide" it in a separate system. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 23, 2014, at 8:36 AM, Michael Ross <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I can imagine - if the utilities make grid connections to solar a bad > idea, ten I divide my house into two systems. On that is grid tied and > running for example, the refrigerator and lights. Take other things off > grid - the garage, well pump, water heater, future car charging, the mostly > unused propane furnace and AC.. Not sure the mix but, get the power from > PV and store it, but not so I have to worry about storing for really long > dark and rainy times. Then pay minimally for grid use. If I need to, I > drag an extension cord to the fridge from the solar side when the grid is > out. No safety problems back powering the grid like that. Or if I need to > run the well pump after a dark time, switch it over to grid. > > If it does make sense, look for someone marketing a clean way to do this > sort of thing. > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I have to disagree. >> >> Ask him on a day where his panels are producing more than he can use what >> extra value he is getting from them. Then ask him on a day where he is not >> getting enough from the panels how much it would have been worth to have >> batteries. >> >> If you are taking yourself off grid, not only do the batteries (or other >> energy storage method) produce value, but may even be essential. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 23, 2014, at 6:48 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> A 20-year T-bill right now is only paying about 2.5%... >> >> Even if it takes 20 years to pay off the battery system... >> > >> > Batteries are not a source of energy. They produce nothing. Solar >> panels >> > do. Far better to spend X dollars available for more solar panels which >> > pay off themselves in about 3 years and use the nearly free storage in >> the >> > grid. >> > >> > Self-storage (if you have access to the grid) consumes $2 out of every >> $3 >> > invested in Solar with zero benefit other than about 4 hours of backup >> > electricity a year (around here with a 99.96% reliable grid). That's >> > spending several thousands of dollars for about 60 cents worth of >> > electricity. >> > >> > If you don't have the grid, then sure, on-site storage is required. >> > >> > Oh, my zero-usage electric bill is an $8 fixed rate "meter" fee per >> > month, or $100 a year. That is renting a 10,000 kWh storage system (the >> > grid). Or about 100 kWh per dollar. Compare that with the 0.01 kWh per >> > dollar for batteries. >> > >> > A 10,000 times better deal if there ever was one. >> > >> > Bob, WB4APR >> > _______________________________________________ >> > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > > > -- > Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain > happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? > *Dalai Lama * > > Tell me what it is you plan to do > With your one wild and precious life? > Mary Oliver, "The summer day." > > To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. > Thomas A. 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