Depending on how it gets implemented, this is a great idea. In our household of 3, my EV is by far the biggest consumer of electricity. After switching lights to LEDs and having the stove and clothes dryer on natural gas, while finding ways to not need the Airco, the EV charging accounts for more than half our consumption and that does not even include the charging while I work. Without the EV, we may use 120-150kWh/month but the EV adds 150-200 to that, so we are always on the border of the baseline tariff. Allowing the (mostly nighttime) charging to be shifted up to an hour (which would mostly impact the workday recharging that typically takes 4-5 hours so not a big deal if it gets suspended for an hour occasionally) and receiving a payment for that is IMHO a good deal *IF* the car allows an override by the user (and consequently, voiding the payment for the missed demand response) in case the recharge is sorely needed (you are waiting for it). I think this is what David addresses as "who is in control". I don't mind an entity trying to optimize their market as long as that is indifferent to me (car is recharged at the end of the day) so I am all for V2G, but I need to have a means to take control when it does matter.
Regards, Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com Email: [email protected] Private: http://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 -----Original Message----- From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of EVDL Administrator via EV Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 1:28 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Demand Response - backdoor solution On 7 Jan 2015 at 13:22, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > simply have BMW, TESLA or GM or any other EV MFR that has direct > wireless remote control of their vehicles oesystem implement the > charging/grid algorithm since they already have the REMOTE CHARGE > CONTROL system to the car. > > Then the only finance negotiation is between the Utility and the Car MFR. It may be that I'm misunderstanding this idea. However, I find it a little disconcerting. I can maybe see it for a leased EV, though I don't think I personally would accept it. I have this odd, old fashioned idea that when I purchase something, I should own and control it. If the manufacturer retains control of when and where my EV can charge and discharge, it seems to me that I don't fully control (own) the car. For a similar reason, I wouldn't buy a Renault Zoe with a leased battery. The fact that Renault can disable my battery remotely makes me really uncomfortable. They say they'll only do so if I don't keep up the lease payments, but who knows what other reason they might cook up, or what kind of errors their accounting department might make? The big media companies love such virtual entertainment as downloaded music, movies, and e-books. This is partly because ancient US laws on owning physical media such as CDs, DVDs, and books - and your rights as an owner of them - don't apply to them. They sell you not the item itself, but just the right to listen, view, or read it. They can control what you do with the item; you're usually not allowed to lend it or give it away, unlike real CDs, DVDs, and books. They can rescind that right if they choose. As I see it (and I am certainly open to correction if I'm wrong), Renault's scheme to retain control of their EVs' batteries, and the idea that BMW might control the charge in an EV, are related sentiments. If you're OK with that, go for it, but it's not for me. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
