On 8 Jan 2015 at 20:14, Ben Goren via EV wrote:

> I think that the grid's days are numbered. ... Right now, we're about
> where we were when the Motorola brick mobile phone came out.. 

This is an interesting and rather heady notion.  How cool would that be, 
doing to the power company what we can now do to filling stations ....

I'm no expert, but I suppose it might come to pass if PV efficiency jumps 
and cost tumbles, the way the utility and cost of mobile phones did between 
2000 and 2015.  

I think that most folks, certainly here in the US, are a long way from ready 
to accept the energy austerity that now comes with standalone PV.  They're 
addicted to the limitless supply of cheap energy they get with the grid (and 
even where rates are high, it's pretty darn cheap for what you get).  

I can hear it now.  

"Aargh, no clean underwear, and I can't do laundry because we're at 7% and I 
still have to charge the car.  I wonder if the car has enough charge left 
for a trip to the store to buy some."

"Sorry, boss, I can't come in to work until this afternoon.  Joe ran the 
house flat with his welder last night, and I won't have enough juice to 
charge my car until the sun comes up."

Uh-uh.  Not gonna fly.

PVs will have to get a lot smaller and cheaper, and have way, way more 
output than they now do.  Also, the cost of storage (lithium battery? what?) 
would have to decline by, oh, I dunno, say, 90%?

I have no idea whether such a quantum leap in PV and energy storage tech is 
on the horizon. Absent one, though, I suspect your estimate of "ten to 
twenty years" is probably a bit optimistic.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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