Presumably more choices will mean more cars. One size never fits all. My guess is that most ZEV owners (and many ICE owners) have a 2nd vehicle that is not a ZEV unless their lifestyle, tastes and habits match their ZEV perfectly.
Compliance cars are frequently no less perfect for someone's needs than a "real" car (as you refer to it). But frankly, *all* ZEVs are compliance cars when it comes down to it. No ZEV mandate = No ZEVs. It took a lot of work by many of us (including my lawsuit) to get any on the road. The only advantage of less ZEVs in Washington would be if it meant that, due to limited production, more would be available for sale in California, where the air quality makes it sorely needed. Sent from my iPhone > On May 6, 2015, at 8:48 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > That's assuming that more choices == more sales. I don't know if that's true > or not for this market. There are plenty of EVs for sale in Wash. and I > certainly want to see their sales increase. Ideally speaking, I'd rather see > "real" cars rather than "compliance" cars. Just an emotional response. > > Peri > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV" <[email protected]> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> > Sent: 06-May-15 7:31:55 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few > >> I don't get this. >> >> Why on earth would anyone want any less ZEVs out there, no matter why they >> are there? >> >> We need as many ZEVs out there as we can get, as quickly as possible. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 6, 2015, at 6:40 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I was wondering about this. Glad you found the article, Bruce. >>> >>> Maybe it's just as well not to have a bunch of compliance cars on the >>> market, here. The "real" ones will come along as the EV market and >>> technology progresses. >>> >>> Peri >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "brucedp5 via EV" <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: 06-May-15 12:15:30 AM >>> Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098052_washington-state-loves-electric-cars-but-gets-very-few-heres-why >>>> Washington State Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few: Here's Why >>>> By Stephen Edelstein Apr 29, 2015 ht2 Brian Henderson >>>> >>>> [images >>>> http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2014-chevrolet-spark-ev_100433719_m.jpg >>>> 2014 Chevrolet Spark EV >>>> >>>> http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2014-fiat-500_100435224_m.jpg >>>> 2014 Fiat 500e EV >>>> >>>> http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2015-volkswagen-e-golf-limited-edition_100503450_m.jpg >>>> 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf Limited Edition EV >>>> >>>> http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2015-kia-soul-ev_100456106_m.jpg >>>> 2015 Kia Soul EV >>>> ] >>>> >>>> When it comes to states friendly to electric cars, Washington is pretty >>>> close to the top. >>>> >>>> It has one of the highest percentages of registered plug-in electric cars >>>> in >>>> That's assuming that more choices == more sales. I don't know if that's > true or not for this market. There are plenty of EVs for sale in Wash. and I > certainly want to see their sales increase. Ideally speaking, I'd rather see > "real" cars rather than "compliance" cars. Just an emotional response. > > Peri > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV" <[email protected]> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> > Sent: 06-May-15 7:31:55 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few > >> I don't get this. >> >> Why on earth would anyone want any less ZEVs out there, no matter why they >> are there? >> >> We need as many ZEVs out there as we can get, as quickly as possible. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 6, 2015, at 6:40 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I was wondering about this. Glad you found the article, Bruce. >>> >>> Maybe it's just as well not to have a bunch of compliance cars on the >>> market, here. The "real" ones will come along as the EV market and >>> technology progresses. >>> >>> Peri >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "brucedp5 via EV" <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: 06-May-15 12:15:30 AM >>> Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: WA Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098052_washington-state-loves-electric-cars-but-gets-very-few-heres-why >>>> Washington State Loves Electric Cars, But Gets Very Few: Here's Why >>>> By Stephen Edelstein Apr 29, 2015 ht2 Brian Henderson >>>> >>>> [images >>>> http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2014-chevrolet-spark-ev_100433719_m.jpg >>>> 2014 Chevrolet Spark EV >>>> >>>> http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2014-fiat-500_100435224_m.jpg >>>> 2014 Fiat 500e EV >>>> >>>> http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2015-volkswagen-e-golf-limited-edition_100503450_m.jpg >>>> 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf Limited Edition EV >>>> >>>> http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2015-kia-soul-ev_100456106_m.jpg >>>> 2015 Kia Soul EV >>>> ] >>>> >>>> When it comes to states friendly to electric cars, Washington is pretty >>>> close to the top. >>>> >>>> It has one of the highest percentages of registered plug-in electric cars >>>> in >>>> the country, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. >>>> >>>> Electric cars get a sales-tax exemption in Washington, and access to >>>> charging infrastructure that's fed mostly from wind and hydro power. >>>> >>>> Yet Washington buyers are stuck with the same limited selection of models >>>> as >>>> in states with far less generous policies or eager buyers. >>>> >>>> Certain models of battery-electric car--including the BMW i3, Ford Focus >>>> Electric, Mitsubishi i-MiEV, Nissan Leaf, and Tesla Model S--are available >>>> in Washington. >>>> >>>> But many other low-volume models, from the Chevrolet Spark EV to the >>>> Volkswagen e-Golf, aren't. >>>> >>>> What gives? >>>> As it turns out, while Washington adopted California's emissions standard, >>>> it failed to include that state's zero-emission vehicle mandate. >>>> >>>> That means there's no incentive for manufacturers to sell more electric >>>> cars >>>> in Washington state, explains a recent Seattle Times blog post. >>>> >>>> The mandate requires carmakers to sell a certain percentage of >>>> zero-emission >>>> vehicles in California. >>>> >>>> That led to those manufacturers developing low-volume models specifically >>>> for the purpose of meeting that state's mandate. >>>> >>>> These "compliance cars" include the Spark EV, Fiat 500e [EV], and the >>>> recently-discontinued Honda Fit EV and Toyota RAV4 EV, among others. >>>> >>>> Washington doesn't get these cars, nor does it get certain low-volume >>>> models >>>> like the Mercedes-Benz B-Class Electric Drive and Volkswagen e-Golf. >>>> >>>> And without regulatory strong-arming, many carmakers don't want to invest >>>> in >>>> expanded distribution of electric cars. >>>> >>>> They often want to limit the money they spend to develop an electric model >>>> that is only intended to sell in small numbers, and restrict distribution >>>> to >>>> states where sales count toward the requirements of the ZEV mandate. >>>> >>>> "I hope you don't buy it," Fiat Chrysler Automobiles CEO Sergio Marchionne >>>> infamously said of the 500e, "every time I sell one it costs me $14,000." >>>> >>>> The Fiat and the Chevy Spark EV are both available in neighboring Oregon, >>>> and some Washington residents have reportedly crossed the border to buy >>>> examples of those models. >>>> >>>> However, local servicing can be difficult, as dealers that don't sell the >>>> electric variants lack the equipment and training to work on them. >>>> >>>> Washington buyers will get at least one more electric-car option in a few >>>> months, though. >>>> >>>> The state is one of five that will get the Kia Soul EV, beginning in June. >>>> >>>> The Soul EV is currently sold only in California, but Kia decided to expand >>>> to Washington, Georgia, Texas, Oregon, and Hawaii in response to strong >>>> consumer interest. >>>> [© greencarreports.com] >>>> ... >>>> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1095708_washington-state-to-give-electric-cars-tax-breaks-carpool-lane-access >>>> Washington State To Give Electric Cars Tax Breaks, Carpool-Lane Access? >>>> (Dec >>>> 2014) >>>> ... >>>> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1091059_compliance-car-update-which-electric-cars-are-loss-leaders >>>> Compliance Car Update: Which Electric Cars Are Loss Leaders? (Mar 2014) >>>> ... >>>> http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097563_kia-soul-ev-to-go-on-sale-in-five-more-states-by-this-june >>>> Kia Soul EV To Go On Sale In Five More States By This June >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For EVLN posts use: >>>> http://evdl.org/evln/ >>>> >>>> >>>> {brucedp.150m.com} >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: >>>> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-WA-Loves-Electric-Cars-But-Gets-Very-Few-tp4675373.html >>>> Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at >>>> Nabble.com. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>>> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >>>> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >>> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
