"Cars are parked 96% of the time." Keep in mind that many/most cars are used to move people at the same time each day so you still need enough cars for that peak demand. I have heard people talk about satisfying demand with a small percentage of current cars, but I seriously doubt that the fleet across a community could be reduced by much more than 35%. Keeping the math simple that is like paying 35% less for membership in an autonomous club versus owning your own vehicle. Put another way, how many people would be willing to pay 50% more so that they can keep things in their own dedicated autonomous vehicle and avoid dealing with crud and goo left behind from a previous rider?
Just from a capitalization perspective I think that it is much more likely that people own autonomous vehicles where some people loan them out a-la Uber when not in use. This model distributes the capital requirements and allows for many more tiers of service from being a pure renter to only using a dedicated private car. -Brandon On 10/19/2015 01:16 PM, robert winfield via EV wrote: > you are forgetting to think about an important concept. Cars are parked 96% > of the time. Autopilot is now being extensively data crowd sourced. In 10 > years, Why buy a car? call one with your phone. they will be moving 80% of > the time and can recharge autonomously. Parking spaces will become less > valuable because you wont need one, because fewer will even want one, to > park, What? why own a car? just summon oneEV's will become ubiquitous. Where > in that giant parking lot is my vehicle? right in front of me, because I > summoned it.giant parking lots will also go away > From: Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:57 PM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC > Quick-Charging Matter > > Don't forget that there is a huge percentage, 30% to 50% depending on > how you measure, who don't have consistent access to dedicated off > street charging. During the early adopter stage, this doesn't matter. > For the next wave of EV owners it will. People who can't charge at home > will need to either charge at a destination - work, shopping - or while > they wait at some sort of refuling station. Charge time will matter - a > lot. > > Peri > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Robert Bruninga via EV" <[email protected]> > To: "Ben Goren" <[email protected]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion > List" <[email protected]>; "brucedp5" <[email protected]> > Sent: 19-Oct-15 9:43:53 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC > Quick-Charging Matter > >> What they actually don't understand is that EV's are refuled while >> parked >> and not-in-use in the ultimate of convenience. >> >> Whereas they are so used to gas cars that must be refuled somewhere >> else, >> while they ARE-USING the car. A big inconvenience. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ben Goren via >> EV >> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:40 PM >> To: brucedp5; Electric Vehicle Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC >> Quick-Charging Matter >> >> On Oct 19, 2015, at 3:24 AM, brucedp5 via EV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> In broad strokes, if you're confident that you can charge your car at >>> home every night--or at work every day--then recharge rate may not be >>> quite so important. >> They're handwaving away the most important point. >> >> People new to EVs are paranoid about the time it takes to recharge. >> People >> who've lived with an EV for a few weeks wonder what all the fuss is >> about. >> My parents went through this...Dad did a lot of searching for a cheap >> 220 >> charger for their new-to-them Leaf. Now, while they wouldn't turn one >> down >> if you offered them one for free, they have no interest in spending >> money >> on one. >> >> I think a lot of people unfamiliar with EVs get hung up on the time to >> charge the battery from empty, when the important metric is the time to >> charge the battery after a day's typical usage. >> >> If you figure 3 miles per kWh for a typical EV, you'll recharge at >> about >> 10 MPH from a standard 110 circuit. Doesn't sound like much...but >> that's >> 80 miles after 8 hours, and most of us are either asleep that long or, >> at >> least, spend that much time asleep plus showering and eating and the >> like. >> In practice, most people would have no trouble plugging in for 10 or 12 >> hours a day at home, giving 100 - 120 miles. >> >> And, save for road trips, how many people even put 80 miles on the road >> in >> a given day? And on the rare days when that happens...how often does it >> happen day after day? >> >> Let's say you've got a 200-mile range EV, as is promised for the next >> generation of cars. Start the day with a full charge. Drive 100 miles >> that >> single day and end the day with 100 miles. Plug in only for 8 hours, >> start >> the next day with "only" 180 miles. You could keep that pattern up for >> over a week before you'd start to have legitimate reason for range >> anxiety. Give the car a couple days of 12-hour charges on your >> (presumed) >> weekend when you're only putting a few dozen miles per day on the car, >> and >> you're all caught back up again. And I think it's safe to suggest that >> what I just described is a rather extreme situation, even in America. >> Not >> unheard of, but very unusual. >> >> Fast charging is nice to have, sure. But it becomes _less_ important >> with >> bigger batteries, not more -- and we're emphatically headed to bigger >> batteries. But the only time you actually _need_ fast charging -- >> assuming >> overnight access to a 110 outlet is as ubiquitous as it typically is -- >> is >> for road trips or other scenarios where you're spending almost as much >> time in the car as you do in bed. And most people are renting cars for >> road trips these days anyway.... >> >> Cheers, >> >> b& >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag >> racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20151019/562486aa/attachment.htm> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
