Mark Fact, Data, Truth, whatever you chose to call it - the EV1 was not SOLD, it was leased....
Rush Dougherty Tucson AZ 85719 > -----Original Message----- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Mark Abramowitz via EV > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 5:57 PM > To: EVDL Administrator; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Cc: 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: (Why?) Nissan sez it is 'Tesla-3 Stoked' ... > > Yep, I remember the Impact. Great pre-production car. I had a chance to go for a ride in > one. > But GM is a very different company today than it was under Stempel- that was 25 years > ago! > In any case, this is NOT data relating to dealers selling EVs. It's not even data... > > > - Mark > > > From: EVDL Administrator via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion > List'" <ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: (Why?) Nissan sez it is 'Tesla-3 > Stoked' ... Date: 4/12/16, 4:43 PM > > > On 12 Apr 2016 at 14:29, Rush Dougherty via EV wrote: > > > I'd say that the first chapter would be about the EV1, A fantastic EV > > by any standard that GM did NOT want to sell and was CRUSHED ... > > Yeah, literally crushed. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ev1_crush5.jpg > > I wish I could find where I read it and get corroboration, but there's a story about the Impact, > the Aerovironment-built prototype that eventually > became the EV1. > > The tale goes that when GM showed the Impact at the 1990 (I think it was) LA auto show, > one of their executives, possibly Robert Stempel himself, was standing next to a board > member of CARB. The CARB rep was praising the Impact and its potential to the heavens. > Stempel is supposed to have listened for a few minutes, gradually becoming more agitated. > Finally he looked at the guy and said, point-blank, "You're not really going to make us > BUILD that car, are you?" > > I was surprised when they actually put the Volt on the market. When it comes to EVs, GM > has generally been little talk and even less action. Most of their EV "experiments" seemed > to revolve around demonstrating just how > allegedly impractical EVs are / were. > > Look at the 1966 Electrovair II. It was a converted Corvair, really not that much different in > size and weight from the Impact / EV1, but even more impossible to mass produce. But > unlike the Impact, it didn't use batteries that might be affordable. Instead they filled it with > silver zinc batteries. On these high-energy (for the time) batteries it got as much as > 80 miles of range. > > Did you catch that the batteries were silver=based? Can you imagine how much that cost? > Try $160,000 in 1966. That's just for the battery. The Electrovair's battery alone cost 64 > times as much as a 1966 Corvair ICE ($2500). > > Today that 500+ volt silver-zinc battery would cost $1.2 million, based on inflation > adjustment on the original cost, and about $8 million based on the > current value of silver. > > Of >course< the Electrovair was impractical. GM didn't WANT it to be practical, any more > than they wanted the Impact / EV1 to be practical. > > GM has been that kind of company for as long as I've been following EVs. > That's been since around 1967. Maybe that history helps you understand why some of us > remain deeply skeptical of GM's sincerity. > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: > http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private > message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev- > evdl.org/attachments/20160412/033bc50f/attachment.htm> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
