Hard to say if hotels, motels are a good venue for charge points, long term. I know this sounds really bizarre - one's first thought is, yes, that's a very logical place to charge. But here are my thoughts.

1. Today most people driving far enough to need a hotel aren't driving an EV.

2. If they driving an EV, it would be a Tesla, and Tesla is funding its own charge points and deciding where to put them.

3. Level 1 charging won't be enough for people driving long distances. Assume even 200 mile range on a charge. That would mean about a 60kWh battery. To charge that in 8 hours requires 7.5kW. That would require a 70A circuit at 110 volts.

4. Level 2 charging could work but then the hotel management needs to foot a higher installation cost and decide how many stalls to put in and how to handle contention. "I got here first, so I get to plug in." What does the second customer do? Stay an extra night?

5. As battery capacity increases, say to 100kWh, only Level 3 will be sufficient. At that point, it's probably a better overall infrastructure strategy to place charge points along freeways and highways where anyone can stop and charge, just as people do with gas stations. I can't see why a hotel operator would want to put in a Level 3 charger and then share it with anyone who comes along. Not a very good business investment.

Just my thoughts.
Peri

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From: "via EV" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: 28-Apr-16 7:43:34 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] SteveS wants to plug-in his Volt pih at or near his destination hotel ...

 Thanks Bruce,

I kept my question general on purpose as I'm trying to find a general solution and pointing out a general problem. I also do know not exactly where I'll be stopping tonight - though, probably Syracuse NY.

Certainly if I was stuck I would ask for more specific help. Your idea of googling "plugshare 'town' hotel j1772" is good - I had not tried that.

I was mostly lamenting that the hotel industry seems very behind the times on catering to the EV crowd. I think it's to their benefit to update by at least adding a reservation filter for what, if any, EV charging they offer.

Lastly, I am a newbie EV owner (but long time lurker here) and I am perhaps approaching this from the wrong angle; i.e. assuming EV charging is more mainstream and formalized (real chargers and EV parking) rather than ad hoc (find an outlet and asking to plug in). I suppose in reality we are in the middle as I do see and find charging stations more and more, but some areas are not quite caught up.

-SteveS


On 04/28/16, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

[ref
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Hotel-Chargers-tp4681733.html
]

I have some experience at this, and I support I should have caught this one
earlier but I was dabbling in some research that is OT for the evdl.

First SteveS it is so wonderful for so many members to jump in trying to help you, but you did not even give the basics of what your needs are and
the location(s) you will need them. You do not have to give us all your
personal information, just what type of coupler/connector (L1, L2 j1772,
Tesla, or are you outside the U.S. and are seeking type 1 or 2, what?).
*Your latest post sez you want to charge your Volt pih. So, either a L2 or
L1 will do.

Gives us either an area code or zip code to know where you want to plug-in.
And give your preference: you need a high-end hotel (maybe for clients,
etc.), or you are flexible and at this point anything will do (as long as it
does not have bed-bugs).


-Cor had the right idea, but Harsha's trying different-wording to get your needs expressed will be necessary (some people do not listen or ar ethe type that needs to hear three different ways to grasp what you are saying). I usually listen for their confusion. After the second one, I would have asked
to talk to an assistant manager, or manager.

It really depends on the lodging business. When I have dealt with the lower cost Motel6 locations, those that were willing, would let me run a cord out my window to my EV. Some wanted some $ compensation, a couple did not (they were just confused with what I was doing). Though running a cord out your window to your EV can also bring unwanted visibility (the drunken trucker
neighbors were yakking really loud about "What the Heck is that!?", "An
Electric Car!?", etc. I had to spend time keeping an eye on my EV to ensure
it was not messed with and was still on a charge.).

A different time when I was hanging out with the GM EV1 Club, and staying at one of the places their members were: Fairfield Inn in Vacaville-CA for a
long convoy rally to Sacramento to impress CARB that EVs were a viable
transportation option, I did not have to worry about drunken trucker
neighbors (this place was too high end & co$tly for their liking).

(Along the same thoughts as Bill Dube had said) Before I checked in, I drove around their buildings and saw they had L1 outlets. When I had checked in, I talked to the manager and got permission to plugin to one. I chose a parking space near one, where people would likely not be walking near by, and ran my
extension cord across their lawn to the L1 outlet that was along the
building's wall (it must have been there for some maintenance use).

I have experienced how exasperating it can be when the people you are
talking to just do not get what you are talking about. In an effort to help keep plugshare.com listings accurate, I had approached a high-end hotel in
Palo Alto that was listed on plugshare as charging a Tesla (likely a
roadster as this was years ago). I parked and walked into talk to them to
gather information.

The person at the desk was courtesy but clueless. I asked to talk to an
assistant manager. I waited off to the side for 20 minutes to not be in the front desk's way. Finally, after explaining again what I was after, to try to know what type of charging they had, and possibly see (so I could take a picture to upload), the assistant manager said I would have to wait until I could talk to their (very busy) manager. Another 20 minutes, and I explained
again (I have done this type of thing so often for the EV-cause).

The manager just looking at me knew I was not his level of clientele (I did not look rich) yet he begrudgingly gave me his time (I could see that in his face). After explaining once again to he I got a quick and direct answer. They had let one Tesla driver that was staying at the hotel plug into a L1 outlet that happened to be in their parking area. He made it clear that they had no formal (j1772) EVSE, that I would not be allowed to see where the outlet was, and he wanted that listing to not state they had charging. It took several attempts to him to understand I did not represent plugshare, that someone had put that information up their and that someone was not me
(he likely did not truly grasp the whole Internet concept, and likely
thought email was a bother, etc.).

So, yea, dealing with people, businesses, can be frustrating. Another point of frustration is businesses that do not list having EVSE on their web sites
(few do, or keep the info up to date).

But that is where plugshare comes in handy. For instance, lets assume SteveS is going to Atlanta, GA and is looking for a hotel. I could use a search
engine with keywords plugshare atlanta, ga hotel j1772
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=plugshare+atlanta%2C+ga+hotel+j1772

Trying to do this type of search from within plugshare does not work (at the
last Silicon Valley EAA Rally in Sept at De Anza College, I asked a
plugshare rep to discuss that idea with their founder Brian who drives
Electric. So maybe in the future they will).

An alternative method to asking lodging if they have EVSE, is to know what lodging is in the city you want to stay and then find public EVSE near those
lodging businesses.

Lets use a different location and assume SteveS drives the WA-OR Electric
Highway (Hwy 5) to Corvallis, OR for his business appt.

I would bring up a maps page searching with keywords
hotels corvallis oregon
https://www.google.com/maps/search/hotels+corvallis+oregon/@44.5739942,-123.285427,13z

Then I bring up plugshare in another browser tab searching for corvallis
oregon
and set the filters to look for L2 (j1772), and L1.

By comparing the two maps I can see which lodging locations have the public EVSE nearby. Even if clicking on the individual EVSE listed on plugshare
does not revile a lodging business with EVSE, at least I know where to
charge beforehand.
There are ways to accomplish SteveS's goals. It can be done.

BTW this might be what John Lindsay was 'snag' ing on (an Aussie repast)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/felix42/2113180643




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