That is exactly why it is a good idea to charge money (per hour) for being connected to a charging station - or simply to park your EV at the charging station. The hotel guest may get a lower rate than outsiders visiting the hotel's charging station (the hotel guest may be given a discount code that he enters before starting the charging or he pays for the RFID card that will tell the station that a guest is using it and gives a lower hourly rate, but every scarce resource can be quite effectively managed by making it worthwhile to move on as soon as you are not using it effectively, for example a high hourly price for L3 charging, a much lower hourly price for L2 and free L1 charging for Volts and other low-capacity PIH vehicles that can effectively fill a tank overnight on L1 of for opportunity charging for those who do not need the range but enjoy the benefit, such as a Tesla arriving with 200 miles range left and only 120 to go, but can still add a couple miles and not worry about range loss if the car is self-heating the pack.
This way, the hotel can also make some money off the convenience they provide just like they do on hotel WiFi where you pay per night or even by the hour to access their installed infrastructure. Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info http://www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -----Original Message----- From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 9:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [EVDL] SteveS wants to plug-in his Volt pih at or near his destination hotel ... Hard to say if hotels, motels are a good venue for charge points, long term. I know this sounds really bizarre - one's first thought is, yes, that's a very logical place to charge. But here are my thoughts. 1. Today most people driving far enough to need a hotel aren't driving an EV. 2. If they driving an EV, it would be a Tesla, and Tesla is funding its own charge points and deciding where to put them. 3. Level 1 charging won't be enough for people driving long distances. Assume even 200 mile range on a charge. That would mean about a 60kWh battery. To charge that in 8 hours requires 7.5kW. That would require a 70A circuit at 110 volts. 4. Level 2 charging could work but then the hotel management needs to foot a higher installation cost and decide how many stalls to put in and how to handle contention. "I got here first, so I get to plug in." What does the second customer do? Stay an extra night? 5. As battery capacity increases, say to 100kWh, only Level 3 will be sufficient. At that point, it's probably a better overall infrastructure strategy to place charge points along freeways and highways where anyone can stop and charge, just as people do with gas stations. I can't see why a hotel operator would want to put in a Level 3 charger and then share it with anyone who comes along. Not a very good business investment. Just my thoughts. Peri ------ Original Message ------ From: "via EV" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: 28-Apr-16 7:43:34 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] SteveS wants to plug-in his Volt pih at or near his destination hotel ... > Thanks Bruce, > >I kept my question general on purpose as I'm trying to find a general >solution and pointing out a general problem. I also do know not exactly >where I'll be stopping tonight - though, probably Syracuse NY. > >Certainly if I was stuck I would ask for more specific help. Your idea >of googling "plugshare 'town' hotel j1772" is good - I had not tried >that. > >I was mostly lamenting that the hotel industry seems very behind the >times on catering to the EV crowd. I think it's to their benefit to >update by at least adding a reservation filter for what, if any, EV >charging they offer. > >Lastly, I am a newbie EV owner (but long time lurker here) and I am >perhaps approaching this from the wrong angle; i.e. assuming EV >charging is more mainstream and formalized (real chargers and EV >parking) rather than ad hoc (find an outlet and asking to plug in). I >suppose in reality we are in the middle as I do see and find charging >stations more and more, but some areas are not quite caught up. > >-SteveS > > >On 04/28/16, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > >[ref >http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Hotel-Char gers-tp4681733.html >] > >I have some experience at this, and I support I should have caught this >one >earlier but I was dabbling in some research that is OT for the evdl. > >First SteveS it is so wonderful for so many members to jump in trying >to >help you, but you did not even give the basics of what your needs are >and >the location(s) you will need them. You do not have to give us all your >personal information, just what type of coupler/connector (L1, L2 >j1772, >Tesla, or are you outside the U.S. and are seeking type 1 or 2, what?). >*Your latest post sez you want to charge your Volt pih. So, either a L2 >or >L1 will do. > >Gives us either an area code or zip code to know where you want to >plug-in. >And give your preference: you need a high-end hotel (maybe for clients, >etc.), or you are flexible and at this point anything will do (as long >as it >does not have bed-bugs). > > >-Cor had the right idea, but Harsha's trying different-wording to get >your >needs expressed will be necessary (some people do not listen or ar ethe >type >that needs to hear three different ways to grasp what you are saying). >I >usually listen for their confusion. After the second one, I would have >asked >to talk to an assistant manager, or manager. > >It really depends on the lodging business. When I have dealt with the >lower >cost Motel6 locations, those that were willing, would let me run a cord >out >my window to my EV. Some wanted some $ compensation, a couple did not >(they >were just confused with what I was doing). Though running a cord out >your >window to your EV can also bring unwanted visibility (the drunken >trucker >neighbors were yakking really loud about "What the Heck is that!?", "An >Electric Car!?", etc. I had to spend time keeping an eye on my EV to >ensure >it was not messed with and was still on a charge.). > >A different time when I was hanging out with the GM EV1 Club, and >staying at >one of the places their members were: Fairfield Inn in Vacaville-CA for >a >long convoy rally to Sacramento to impress CARB that EVs were a viable >transportation option, I did not have to worry about drunken trucker >neighbors (this place was too high end & co$tly for their liking). > >(Along the same thoughts as Bill Dube had said) Before I checked in, I >drove >around their buildings and saw they had L1 outlets. When I had checked >in, I >talked to the manager and got permission to plugin to one. I chose a >parking >space near one, where people would likely not be walking near by, and >ran my >extension cord across their lawn to the L1 outlet that was along the >building's wall (it must have been there for some maintenance use). > >I have experienced how exasperating it can be when the people you are >talking to just do not get what you are talking about. In an effort to >help >keep plugshare.com listings accurate, I had approached a high-end hotel >in >Palo Alto that was listed on plugshare as charging a Tesla (likely a >roadster as this was years ago). I parked and walked into talk to them >to >gather information. > >The person at the desk was courtesy but clueless. I asked to talk to an >assistant manager. I waited off to the side for 20 minutes to not be in >the >front desk's way. Finally, after explaining again what I was after, to >try >to know what type of charging they had, and possibly see (so I could >take a >picture to upload), the assistant manager said I would have to wait >until I >could talk to their (very busy) manager. Another 20 minutes, and I >explained >again (I have done this type of thing so often for the EV-cause). > >The manager just looking at me knew I was not his level of clientele (I >did >not look rich) yet he begrudgingly gave me his time (I could see that >in his >face). After explaining once again to he I got a quick and direct >answer. >They had let one Tesla driver that was staying at the hotel plug into a >L1 >outlet that happened to be in their parking area. He made it clear that >they >had no formal (j1772) EVSE, that I would not be allowed to see where >the >outlet was, and he wanted that listing to not state they had charging. >It >took several attempts to him to understand I did not represent >plugshare, >that someone had put that information up their and that someone was not >me >(he likely did not truly grasp the whole Internet concept, and likely >thought email was a bother, etc.). > >So, yea, dealing with people, businesses, can be frustrating. Another >point >of frustration is businesses that do not list having EVSE on their web >sites >(few do, or keep the info up to date). > >But that is where plugshare comes in handy. For instance, lets assume >SteveS >is going to Atlanta, GA and is looking for a hotel. I could use a >search >engine with keywords plugshare atlanta, ga hotel j1772 >https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=plugshare+atlanta%2C+ga+hotel+j177 2 > >Trying to do this type of search from within plugshare does not work >(at the >last Silicon Valley EAA Rally in Sept at De Anza College, I asked a >plugshare rep to discuss that idea with their founder Brian who drives >Electric. So maybe in the future they will). > >An alternative method to asking lodging if they have EVSE, is to know >what >lodging is in the city you want to stay and then find public EVSE near >those >lodging businesses. > >Lets use a different location and assume SteveS drives the WA-OR >Electric >Highway (Hwy 5) to Corvallis, OR for his business appt. > >I would bring up a maps page searching with keywords >hotels corvallis oregon >https://www.google.com/maps/search/hotels+corvallis+oregon/@44.5739942, -123.285427,13z > >Then I bring up plugshare in another browser tab searching for >corvallis >oregon >and set the filters to look for L2 (j1772), and L1. > >By comparing the two maps I can see which lodging locations have the >public >EVSE nearby. Even if clicking on the individual EVSE listed on >plugshare >does not revile a lodging business with EVSE, at least I know where to >charge beforehand. >There are ways to accomplish SteveS's goals. It can be done. > >BTW this might be what John Lindsay was 'snag' ing on (an Aussie >repast) >https://www.flickr.com/photos/felix42/2113180643 > > > > >For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: >http://evdl.org/evln/ > > >{brucedp.150m.com} > >-- >View this message in context: >http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/SteveS-wan ts-to-plug-in-his-Volt-pih-at-or-near-his-destination-hotel-tp4681757.ht ml >Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at >Nabble.com. >_______________________________________________ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > >_______________________________________________ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
