I am saying that if you got the energy efficiency of a Tesla you would need a 120kwh battery to go 400 miles at least and maybe more. A Tesla charger they say on 110V outlet you get 5 miles range an hour or 80 hours to charge and on 220 V you get 30miles of range an hour 13 hours to charge. On dual 220 volt chargers you get 60 miles an hour 6.5 hours to charge and on a supercharger you get 300 miles range in an hour or an hour and 20 minutes to charge. So, without a Tesla you options are diminished in charging options and your best bet is a chademo at 60kw per hour. And how often do you drive 400 miles and do you want to wait that long to charge? We might go over 80 miles in a day four or 5 times a year and over 400 miles in a day say once or twice a year. Most people I know you BTW don't even own an electric car will rent a car for long trips so as to avoid car problems. Got an issue call the rental company. They are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: EVDL Administrator via EV <[email protected]> Date: 5/12/16 10:20 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Prof. Clare Grey defending her LiO2 (fluffy carbon) battery paper On 12 May 2016 at 6:21, Paul Dove via EV wrote: > You would need 150kw battery or so. You can't get that kind of power > out of the grid ... I wouldn't be so sure of that. Three modern houses have a maximum power capacity of 144kW, within hailing distance of 150kW. Admittedly it's pretty unusual for a house to max out its service, and for 3 in a neighborhood to do so would be really extraordinary. But consider that some "mcmansions" have 96kW service. I'm sure they wouldn't have paid the extra installation bill for that big a service if they weren't exceeding 48kW on a regular basis. (That's a staggering amount of power for any one family to be sucking from the grid, BTW.) Or are you perhaps mixing up kWh and kW, and expecting to charge a 150kWh battery in less than an hour? In that case you would need more than 150kW. That's a different problem, but I wouldn't call it impossible to solve. > and how often would you need to drive 400 miles. Any time you go on a long trip. Another way of looking at this is that every time we increase range, the customer moves the goalposts (to mix metaphors). As soon as most EVs have 300 mile range, they'll insist they need 400 miles, and so on. I doubt that any of them will be satisfied until EVs have as much range as ICEVs and can be "refueled" at least as quickly. Even then they'll no doubt find some other reason that EVs just aren't good enough. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20160513/68323ece/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
