I don't see a need to eliminate the internal combustion engine. Most of the CO2 comes from burning coal. According to the EPA only 14% comes from transportation. All forms of transportation together road, rail, air and marine.
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> Date: 5/13/16 4:13 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Mike Beem <[email protected]>, EVDL Administrator <[email protected]>, Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Prof. Clare Grey defending her LiO2 (fluffy carbon) battery paper The range problem definitely does exist. How are you going to get rid of ICE vehicles for long range travel if you can only go 100 miles or so per charge? Even 200 miles. This has nothing to do with the vehicle you might use for everyday commuting and errands. Yes, 100 miles is almost always plenty for that. And, yes, you can rent something if you want to go long range. But we're talking about getting ICE vehicles off the road. That long range vehicle needs to go 300-400 miles on a charge to be practical. Some have to be built and there needs to be high wattage charging stations along the interstates and major highways. And, another factor, if only a small percentage are built, economy of scale won't work and they will be quite expensive. Peri ------ Original Message ------ From: "Mike Beem via EV" <[email protected]> To: "EVDL Administrator" <[email protected]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]> Sent: 13-May-16 2:06:31 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Prof. Clare Grey defending her LiO2 (fluffy carbon) battery paper >> They are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. > >>Most of us on the EVDL have been saying this for years -- that 100 >>miles of >range is plenty for almost anyone. > >Well stated, both of you! I definitely am ready for that 100 mile >range, >having over the years never had more than my current 40 mile range >pack. >However, it still does carry me for more than 95% of the miles I drive >most >months. I do have a 3/4 ton diesel pick up truck for pulling my dump >trailer, and hauling any any loads too heavy, large or messy for the EV >Escort, but with its roof rack I have carried ladders, lumber etc. for >much >of what I do; and the truck generally gets driven less than 500 mile >per >year, so its contribution to ICE pollution is as minimal as I can make >it. >Having now sold off or given away all of my remaining EV projects, I >know >that I am probably driving my last home made EV, but it still has 5 1/2 >years to go to finish my experiment=can I drive a conversion EV on one >lithium pack with a total investment of $10000 for 10 years? (not >including >tires or brakes). >Time will tell, but so far, I have seen no degradation in range or >power. >Michael B > >On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:45 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV < >[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 13 May 2016 at 6:31, dovepa via EV wrote: >> >> > They are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. >> >> Most of us on the EVDL have been saying this for years -- that 100 >>miles of >> range is plenty for almost anyone. >> >> It's true, but outside of EV hobbyists, hardly anyone believes it. >>The >> public perception is that they need range close to what they get on a >> tankful of gasoline now. >> >> We know that "range anxiety" is a myth. But "journalists" keep >>hammering >> at >> it, and the public buys it. So to them, it's real. >> >> We can educate these folks until we drop from exhaustion and it won't >> change >> more than a couple of their minds. We can even have them track >>their >> weekly mileage. It makes no difference. >> >> Vehicle buyers demand long range, just in case they ever need it. >>It's the >> same attitude that makes people buy huge pickup trucks and drive >>their >> clunky, awkward 18-mpg beasts year in and year out, even if they only >>haul >> something big once a year (or less). >> >> Perception is reality. It doesn't pay to fight it. What does pay is >> asking >> people who actually buy vehicles what they need, listening to them, >>and >> then >> building and offering for sale an EV that meets those perceived >> requirements >> and needs, whether they're real needs or not. >> >> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA >> EVDL Administrator >> >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not >> reach me. 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